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#8441 andi222

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 03:28 PM

Hi Andi222,

 

To be clear...

 

The Lock Up Agreement has been "finalised" insofar as creditor action is required. 

 

There should be nothing more for Steinhoff to do, and they are now at the mercy of the procedural limits and capacity of the English Courts.  Theoretically there should be no hiccups as the Courts should rubber-stamp the agreements already concluded between the main role-players (Steinhoff & the creditors).

 

 

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Hi Captain, 

 

thanks for your response. Ok I understand. Do you think everything will be finalised before 18 June or rather the end of the month?


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 03:21 PM

So the 18th is coming closer. Managenent looks like they are on track to publish results. Now the question is will they finalise the lock up agreement before that date? If not going concern will once again be a major concern.



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Hi Andi222,

 

To be clear...

 

The Lock Up Agreement has been "finalised" insofar as creditor action is required. 

 

There should be nothing more for Steinhoff to do, and they are now at the mercy of the procedural limits and capacity of the English Courts.  Theoretically there should be no hiccups as the Courts should rubber-stamp the agreements already concluded between the main role-players (Steinhoff & the creditors).

 

 

Best Regards

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 11:21 AM

So the 18th is coming closer. Managenent looks like they are on track to publish results. Now the question is will they finalise the lock up agreement before that date? If not going concern will once again be a major concern.



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Posted 05 June 2019 - 10:51 AM

Current shareholders are at risk of zero.....or waiting out the end journey which is unpredictable. Shares will be bought back at a set amount....significantly more than what the share is trading at but also discounted to current valuation.

I am guessing here....

Desliting allows company more more maneuverability and can only be done after restructuring.

On relisting current shareholders may be provided an opportunity to purchase ahead of relisting. Alternatively you hold your position and snh buys as many shares as possible for settlement. Thereis upside both ways selling or holding. No gaurantee though that on relsiting the price would be equivalent to the offer now or that the compnay would resemble its current form....

This is all guess work...not intelectual..pls dont consider this as informed advice. Looking at probabilities

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While de-listing is possible, it is not probable.  As things stand today, it is not included in the Steinhoff restructuring plans as it stands.

 

Remember, although to some extent the lenders currently "control" the company, they are not yet shareholders.  If at some point a de-listing is pursued, the shareholders would vote on this and would have to be convinced that there is a benefit.  The lenders cannot vote on this. 

 

Shareholders would lose significant benefits of going private and would never accede to this.  These benefits include: 1. A free market system to buy and sell at a prevailing market price; 2. Significant volumes to buy, and significant number of interested sellers, 3. a constant and verifiable valuation offered for the share.

 

Can you perhaps expand what is available as a private company that would allow greater flexibility?

 

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Posted 05 June 2019 - 10:48 AM

No significant movement in holding for JSE listed top 10.

 

Wiese stayed unchanged.

 

JPMC-VANGUARD BBH LENDING ACCOUNT dropped from the top 10 list, they had 33 566 514. Replaced with TOWN INVESTMENTS.

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Posted 05 June 2019 - 09:49 AM

Current shareholders are at risk of zero.....or waiting out the end journey which is unpredictable. Shares will be bought back at a set amount....significantly more than what the share is trading at but also discounted to current valuation.

I am guessing here....

Desliting allows company more more maneuverability and can only be done after restructuring.

On relisting current shareholders may be provided an opportunity to purchase ahead of relisting. Alternatively you hold your position and snh buys as many shares as possible for settlement. Thereis upside both ways selling or holding. No gaurantee though that on relsiting the price would be equivalent to the offer now or that the compnay would resemble its current form....

This is all guess work...not intelectual..pls dont consider this as informed advice. Looking at probabilities

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Posted 05 June 2019 - 09:23 AM

what happens to current shareholders if that happens?


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Posted 05 June 2019 - 09:18 AM

I think the delisting is on the cards. As steinhof needs a revalued equity stance and only has equity as leverage

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Posted 05 June 2019 - 08:22 AM

Something changed,. see chart for Steinhoff Financial holding.

 

Bond 2025 also up.

 

When is this a take-over target? My view is after AFS 2018, with audit opinion. (Some Germans feel the same)

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#8450 LarryK

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Posted 05 June 2019 - 04:45 AM

https://edition.cnn....away/index.html

On another note, check out Heinz is in trouble as well due accounting issues. Anyone investing in the US that has an opinion?

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#8451 LarryK

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Posted 05 June 2019 - 04:44 AM

SA economy is in trouble. Eskom is making it worse.
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Posted 04 June 2019 - 12:17 PM

So with such poor economy growth PEPKOR SA managed to post decent figures!!!!

BREAKING NEWS: Shock 3.2% contraction in GDP in first quarter

https://www.business...-first-quarter/
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Posted 03 June 2019 - 12:10 PM

Got it on the German Forum, posted by "Dirty Jack". Sounds like the 53mil drop from Coro is some error, that keeps on showing and did not necessarily happen last month.
 
They talk lots there, just do a "Translate" in Google.
 
https://www.ariva.de...31686?page=7331
 
another link
 
https://www.mornings.../SNH/quote.html


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 12:07 PM

Thanks Bubble, can you post the link to this site?

Haha I was shot down when mention that Allen Grey could be buying!!!!

Playing the ABIL movie - Coronation selling taking a big hit and Allen Grey buying!!!!

 

Got it on the German Forum, posted by "Dirty Jack". Sounds like the 53mil drop from Coro is some error, that keeps on showing and did not necessarily happen last month.

 

They talk lots there, just do a "Translate" in Google.

 

https://www.ariva.de...31686?page=7331

 

another link

 

https://www.mornings.../SNH/quote.html


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 11:45 AM

Expanded list.

 

Coronation big seller

 

Black Rock big buyer

 

and Nedgroup big buyer and new entry


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 11:38 AM

Expanded list.
 
Coronation big seller
 
Black Rock big buyer



Thanks Bubble, can you post the link to this site?

Haha I was shot down when mention that Allen Grey could be buying!!!!

Playing the ABIL movie - Coronation selling taking a big hit and Allen Grey buying!!!!

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 11:30 AM

Expanded list.

 

Coronation big seller

 

Black Rock big buyer

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 11:26 AM

Investec decrease

 

AG and Old Mutual increase

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 11:24 AM

Thanks dad.

Wiese was on the board from 2013-2017 and chairman for more than a year. Who knows what the share price would be today if
A he didn’t resign
B didn’t initiate legal action

None of these parties complained when the share price was at an ath

 

I don’t think Christo Wiese was totally blind as a chairman and he is worried and this reason for his claim to try and take blame of him.


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Posted 02 June 2019 - 12:50 PM

Good post LarryK.

It is also interesting CW claiming R35 bil for the sale of Pepkor on 2015 and R24 bil for investing in MF purchase basically it was him that
made possible for SNH to make that terrible decission but now want is money back.

If the courts agree to this then there is no hope for society surely CW had the full picture (the whole of 5 day due diligence) being the person
that made the final decision to buy MF.

I think like Captain mention while back courts going to be busy for a long time and by the time they ready to settle the share would be back up
to the R57 if Pepkor Europe continues to grow at 32%.


Thanks dad.

Wiese was on the board from 2013-2017 and chairman for more than a year. Who knows what the share price would be today if
A he didn’t resign
B didn’t initiate legal action

None of these parties complained when the share price was at an ath
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