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[new john]

Wowee. I’m not familiar with the program but that sounds quite steep.

It’s difficult to say, not knowing what your purchase figure / portfolio amount is. However I’d suggest you do a simple percentage of total calculation to work out what percentage of your investment was to pay fees.

Do a bit of research on that number and see if you’re comfortable to carry on paying that amount annually.

To answer your question; mine is a simple strategy. Wanna invest 100k on a share? My first buy will be for 40k, then 3 x 20k purchases over the next 30 - 45 days.

Obviously there are times where the trigger finger is a bit itchy (Sasol @ R20) but those are the exceptions, few and far between.

Further than that, I’ll only add to a share if I feel the company is making big strides to drastically increase its share price.

[Motivated]

Easy Equities.

The call in broker fee for purchasing is around R100...
If you buy on the platform yourself, it is much cheaper...

I have recently switched over to self service however sometimes there are limits on the number of shares that one can purchase for a particular stock AND if you want to buy above the threshold then you have to CALL in for a broker to make that purchase....


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[new john]

I Everyone,

How often do the experienced INVESTORS (+5 years) buy shares in a particular stock within a year?

I'm trying to be an investor and have been holding onto my shares for 3 years now but I find myself a tad bit wild and spontaneous when it comes to purchasing shares...and have noticed that my fees are R19 000 in 3 years....

Do you'll use an automatic dollar cost averaging method with monthly deposits?

Or perhaps lump sum purchases every quarter?


Only buying on dips?


Please share advice with regards to keeping fees low....


Thanks,
Motivated



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What platform are you using that would generate those kinds of fees??

[Motivated]

I Everyone,

How often do the experienced INVESTORS (+5 years) buy shares in a particular stock within a year?

I'm trying to be an investor and have been holding onto my shares for 3 years now but I find myself a tad bit wild and spontaneous when it comes to purchasing shares...and have noticed that my fees are R19 000 in 3 years....

Do you'll use an automatic dollar cost averaging method with monthly deposits?

Or perhaps lump sum purchases every quarter?


Only buying on dips?


Please share advice with regards to keeping fees low....


Thanks,
Motivated



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[Motivated]

Call me a pumper.... But all I see is “SALE NOW ON” everywhere I look. Yes. Things may in fact get worse, but when there’s blood in the streets....

I agree with you completely New John lol, but it is still painful with uncertainty...and lol I kinda need to start saving before I can buy on discount...running low on cash flow

[new john]

Call me a pumper.... But all I see is “SALE NOW ON” everywhere I look. Yes. Things may in fact get worse, but when there’s blood in the streets....

[Motivated]

With cotona virus fears developed world economies are going to be in apnic mode... Allowing two scenarios for emerging economies.... We get the cild when they sneeze... Or in this caee pnuemonia meaning we are hammerred....or scenario two... We have lower cost oil, rand strengthens against dollar, inflation dips, our productivity levels and factoriws are preferted to china... And we start to boom...all along this is supported by a resources boom...sounds plausible.... Either way this is going to be global pain amd global jitters...
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My Portfolio is getting hammered , 18% Down....its Big......

I am going to stick this out and turn the other way.

[Investment novice]

With cotona virus fears developed world economies are going to be in apnic mode... Allowing two scenarios for emerging economies.... We get the cild when they sneeze... Or in this caee pnuemonia meaning we are hammerred....or scenario two... We have lower cost oil, rand strengthens against dollar, inflation dips, our productivity levels and factoriws are preferted to china... And we start to boom...all along this is supported by a resources boom...sounds plausible.... Either way this is going to be global pain amd global jitters...
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[soutie]

While doing nothing is also a strategy a lot of that thinking was based on what I consider to be an outdated model....ie Non derivative or very little at least...Corporate greed on the stratospheric scale we experience today....https://www.business...bris-and-greed/    That's a small company example...On the JSE we have fund managers who can quite easily manipulate large company share prices prior to quarterly reporting.....& so on......

The JSE is highly concentrated market so the only long term  method that still holds true for me is diversification...Equities....Cash....Gold....Property....Lotto.

My 2c.

[Motivated]

 

 

Some years ago, Fidelity Investments conducted a study in the US to find out more about this and discovered something rather odd: being dead could be a good investing strategy. They discovered that the highest returns were earned by investors who had just ignored their investments for years and decades. What’s more, it also turned out that many of these investors had actually died at some point. So the conclusion was that when it comes to managing your investments, the best strategy could be to  do what a dead person would do—nothing.

Read more at:
https://economictime...58.cms?from=mdr

 

[Snippit]

Despite these setbacks, the FTSE/JSE All Share Index (Alsi) delivered an annualised return of 13.6% between January 1996 and November 2019. At an average inflation rate of 5.8%, this means that investors have earned real returns of 7.7% per year.

 

This is an outstanding outcome for long-term investors. However, it’s likely that not everyone earned it, because to do so you had to have the stomach to sit out these events.

 

Historically, over any rolling five-year period, the JSE has never delivered a negative return. 

 

 

 

What about the exchange rate which for R/USD moved at an average value destruction of approx 6.5% p.a. between January 1996 and November 2019 ?

 

The real return in USD was thereby reduced to 1.7% which is about equal to all the costs to support the poor hard done by "industry".

 

 

 

[Motivated]

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Thank You New John....

 

Despite these setbacks, the FTSE/JSE All Share Index (Alsi) delivered an annualised return of 13.6% between January 1996 and November 2019. At an average inflation rate of 5.8%, this means that investors have earned real returns of 7.7% per year.

 

This is an outstanding outcome for long-term investors. However, it’s likely that not everyone earned it, because to do so you had to have the stomach to sit out these events.

 

Historically, over any rolling five-year period, the JSE has never delivered a negative return. 

 

[new john]

https://www.moneyweb...urn-investment/

[Motivated]

[quote name="new john" post="290550" timestamp="1580390907"]That’s an awful short time to expect results IMO.

If you peruse through Fund Fact sheets you’ll see it’s not very uncommon for funds to have drawdowns of up to 25% in a year.

Yes. We are in a major valley at the moment, and as mentioned before, that in itself is no guarantee that there’ll be a turnaround.

However, I often chuckle when I read people saying “everything is too expensive.” Or “I should have bought when it was xx” to then read the opposite of when things ARE cheap, the same people say what a joke share investing is (I’m speaking in general)

That, in essence, is what this is all about isn’t it. When people ask, “how can I make money on the stock exchange” 9 times out of 10 the answer usually is “buy low and sell high”

Lol...I know it's a short time...I'm not expecting results...I am just losing patience...I understand there are cycles...and yes the best time is to buy low and sell high...

I wanted to know what people that invested for a long time on the JSE have experienced...

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[new john]

I started investing around August 2018.

That’s an awful short time to expect results IMO.

If you peruse through Fund Fact sheets you’ll see it’s not very uncommon for funds to have drawdowns of up to 25% in a year.

Yes. We are in a major valley at the moment, and as mentioned before, that in itself is no guarantee that there’ll be a turnaround.

However, I often chuckle when I read people saying “everything is too expensive.” Or “I should have bought when it was xx” to then read the opposite of when things ARE cheap, the same people say what a joke share investing is (I’m speaking in general)

That, in essence, is what this is all about isn’t it. When people ask, “how can I make money on the stock exchange” 9 times out of 10 the answer usually is “buy low and sell high”

Insert obligatory 10c comment [here]

[Motivated]

Apples and Pears.

But let’s not go there

If I may be so bold to ask, you say you are down, how long have you been invested for??

I started investing around August 2018.

[new john]

Apples and Pears.

But let’s not go there

If I may be so bold to ask, you say you are down, how long have you been invested for??

[Motivated]

One could make the argument that now is the time to buy (if ever there’s a right time)

There’s a saying about blood in the streets that rings a bell.

They said that for Steinhoff too.

[new john]

One could make the argument that now is the time to buy (if ever there’s a right time)

There’s a saying about blood in the streets that rings a bell.

[Motivated]

Absa for 5 years 13 percent I think, or buy flat and rent it, or buy some dollars in global account if you think rand will get worse, my mate got 18 percent from his old mutual equity broker last year..I sold most equities last year, was sick slump..us etfs also an idea but I reckon us market going get a big bang..good luck, equities been bit depressing last 2 years

Thanks for the advice and Sorry about the slump!  18% is pretty decent.  I started the MSCI World Feeder ETF - 1st month trial.