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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories [message #44280] Mon, 12 October 2009 16:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TaiQan  South Africa
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joshua wrote on Mon, 12 October 2009 16:36
FACT. Nobody wins a war.We are all losers. You only win battles. I am open to correction that Winston Churchill said this or some other prominent leader. Crying or Very Sad



makes sense that Hitler's uncle would say this...
Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories [message #44281] Mon, 12 October 2009 16:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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farouk wrote on Mon, 12 October 2009 16:02
The Truth On American Casuality figures in its lost Iraq War
George Walker Bush has presided over the worst defeat of the United States Military since Vietnam and has deliberately skewed reporting of the deaths and injuries to conceal the facts.
Department of Veteran's Affairs, in conjunction with the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has released the truth because they need the American People to know our military is literally, destroyed.
They cannot release these horrific numbers via the chain of command because they are under orders to conceal the truth at all costs, so they let slip a report which now cannot be "un-slipped."



Here are the facts and a link to the government source to prove these facts:
More Gulf War Veterans Have Died Than Vietnam Veterans.
The Department of Veterans Affairs, May 2007, Gulf War Veterans
Information System reports the following:
Total U.S. Military Gulf War 1 and Gulf War 3 Deaths: 73,846
* Deaths amongst Deployed: 17,847
* Deaths amongst Non-Deployed: 55,999
Total "Undiagnosed Illness" (UDX) claims: 14,874
Total number of disability claims filed: 1,620,906
* Disability Claims amongst Deployed: 407,911
* Disability Claims amongst Non-Deployed: 1,212,995
Percentage of combat troops who filed Disability Claims 36%
Soldiers, by nature, typically don't complain. They don't want to be perceived (by idiots) as being weak, or complainers, or looking to get out of work/danger. In other words, the real impact of those who are disabled from the US invasions in Iraq, Afghanistan and other Nations, is not fully reflected in the official Veterans Affairs numbers.
Why are the government numbers of 3,777 as of 9-7-7 are so low? The answer is simple, the government does not want the 73,846 dead U.S. soldiers killed in the Gulf to date to be compared to the 55,000 U.S. soldiers killed in Vietnam, lest we all conclude Iraq = Vietnam.
What the government is doing is only counting the soldiers that die in action before they can get them into a helicopter or ambulance. Any soldier who is shot but they get into a helicopter before he dies is not counted.
73,846 dead U.S. soldiers for this scale operation using weapons of mass destruction is not high - we expect the great majority of U.S. soldiers who took part in the invasion of Iraq to die of uranium poisoning, which can take decades to kill.

They may have executed(murdered) Saddam Hussein but he won the war.


If Iraq = Vietnam then what is Afghanistan which is most probably 10 times worse than Iraq (for USA, that is) and yet Obama is sending more and more troops to Afghanistan and the deaths of the US soldiers are increasing, more and more.

I deal with Southerners (Americans from the South) on a weekly basis and the mood has changed since the 1990's during the Iraq 'adventure.' Where they followed blindly, they're now questioning their government. In a family of say 12 brother & sisters & brother-in-laws, etc, 10 serve in the army. These are all poor people and they know no other life.
It amazes me why the richest country in the world has more effluency than affluency - something wrong with the math, here.
Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories [message #44282] Mon, 12 October 2009 16:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The Official Version of 9/11 goes something like this...

Directed by a beardy-guy from a cave in Afghanistan, nineteen hard-drinking, coke-snorting, devout Muslims enjoy lap dances before their mission to meet Allah...

Using nothing more than craft knifes, they overpower cabin crew, passengers and pilots on four planes...

And hangover or not, they manage to give the world's most sophisticated air defence system the slip...

Unphased by leaving their "How to Fly a Passenger Jet" guide in the car at the airport, they master the controls in no-time and score direct hits on two towers, causing THREE to collapse completely...

Our masterminds even manage to overpower the odd law of physics or two... and the world watches in awe as steel-framed buildings fall symmetrically - through their own mass - at free-fall speed, for the first time in history.

Despite all their dastardly cunning, they stupidly give their identity away by using explosion-proof passports, which survive the fireball undamaged and fall to the ground... only to be discovered by the incredible crime-fighting sleuths at the FBI...

...Meanwhile down in Washington...

Hani Hanjour, having previously flunked 2-man Cessna flying school, gets carried away with all the success of the day and suddenly finds incredible abilities behind the controls of a Boeing...

Instead of flying straight down into the large roof area of the Pentagon, he decides to show off a little...

Executing an incredible 270 degree downward spiral, he levels off to hit the low facade of the world's most heavily defended building...

...all without a single shot being fired.... or ruining the nicely mowed lawn... and all at a speed just too fast to capture on video...

...Later, in the skies above Pennsylvania...

So desperate to talk to loved ones before their death, some passengers use sheer willpower to connect mobile calls that otherwise would not be possible until several years later...

And following a heroic attempt by some to retake control of Flight 93, it crashes into a Shankesville field leaving no trace of engines, fuselage or occupants... except for the standard issue Muslim terrorists bandana...

...Further south in Florida...

President Bush, our brave Commander-in-Chief continues to read "My Pet Goat" to a class full of primary school children... shrugging off the obvious possibility that his life could be in imminent danger...

...In New York...

World Trade Centre leaseholder Larry Silverstein blesses his own foresight in insuring the buildings against terrorist attack only six weeks previously...

While back in Washington, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz shake their heads in disbelief at their own luck in getting the 'New Pearl Harbour' catalysing event they so desired to pursue their agenda of world domination...

And finally, not to be disturbed too much by reports of their own deaths, at least seven of our nineteen suicide hijackers turn up alive and kicking in mainstream media reports...


[excerpt from 9/11 blogger article] http://www.911blogger.com/node/21580

14 Suspects linked to Mossad in World Trade Center Before 9/11 Doing Construction

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uibzvVNe0N0&feature=playe r_embedded

The Israeli "art student" mystery
For almost two years, hundreds of young Israelis falsely claiming to be art students haunted federal offices -- in particular, the DEA. No one knows why -- and no one seems to want to find out.

http://dir.salon.com/news/feature/2002/05/07/students/index. html
Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories [message #44284] Mon, 12 October 2009 17:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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[quote title=TaiQan wrote on Mon, 12 October 2009 16:52]The Official Version of 9/11 goes something like this...

...Further south in Florida...

President Bush, our brave Commander-in-Chief continues to read "My Pet Goat" to a class full of primary school children... shrugging off the obvious possibility that his life could be in imminent danger...

Hay TaiQan you forgot to add this..
President Bush, our brave Commander-in-Chief continues to read "My Pet Goat" upside down to a class full of primary school children... shrugging off the obvious possibility that his life could be in imminent danger... Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing




[Updated on: Mon, 12 October 2009 17:07]


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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories [message #44287] Mon, 12 October 2009 18:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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hdbb wrote on Mon, 12 October 2009 17:06
Hay TaiQan you forgot to add this..
President Bush, our brave Commander-in-Chief continues to read "My Pet Goat" [color=red
upside down [/color]to a class full of primary school children... shrugging off the obvious possibility that his life could be in imminent danger... Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing





Not my words, they're the words of the blogger.

Bush read the book upside down for a reason.
Since satanists do everything in reverse or the opposite. The reading of the satanist book, 'My pet goat' is actually banned since it makes reference to the half man, half goat 'god', Pan. Bush read it upside down on purpose - he was partaking in a satanistic ritual which is the 9/11 sacrifice.

The latest news about the 4 German and Austrians doing construction work in the Towers is interesting. It could explain the explosions on the 90th floor and the explosions and smoke in the basement.
Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories [message #44291] Tue, 13 October 2009 00:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Satan said he would devise ways whereby people will disqualify themselves from being members of Christ's kingdom. This was to be accomplished by:

a) Bringing about a great industrial age,
b) Introduce Christian idolatry, and
c) Deceive people into believing about a coming Glorious New Age.

The plan would involve the following:

1. To deceive people about the existence of Satan and his angels, so they would not believe that they exist.

2. To have total control over the minds of people through hypnotism.
3. To destroy the Bible without burning it through the theory of evolution.
4. Christian idolatry
5. Hypnotism




http://www.shasta.com/tempest/seventhunders/nogod/nogod1.htm
Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories [message #44313] Tue, 13 October 2009 12:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Here is an interesting clip explaining how Muslim numbers are
growing around the world.

Muslim Demographics

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU&feature=fvw

I ask myself, once Muslims control this world or great parts thereof, will they act with kindness amongst those who are of their own faith, or possibly in the murderous fashion of their cruel and painful past? Will there be a new order of blood shed of biblical proportions when Muslim brother pitted against Muslim brother begins to enforce what is their version of truth?

What will become of those who are not of the Muslim faith?
Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories [message #44326] Tue, 13 October 2009 15:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Europe's Muslim factor scares Zionist
Zionist will always live in fear because of their evil deeds in Palestine.
"If you want to talk about being critical of Israel, that is a feeling among many Europeans, so how can you characterize that as Muslim? There is no such thing as a Muslim issue in Europe or growing Muslim influence on politicians," Susanne Nies, head of French Institute of International Relations

Britain's London-based Catham House is a sister think tank of America's most influential Jewish think tank, The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). Catham House was named the top non-US think tank by pro-Israel Foreign Policy magazine. Robin Shepherd, a senior research fellow with Catham House warned the western Jewish lobbyist last year that: "As Muslims become more electorally significantly, the obvious casualty is Israel". The Zionist idiot also blamed British Muslims for supporting the 2008 defeated London Mayor Ken Livingstone, who called Israeli treatment of Palestinian as 'ethnic cleansing' and Ariel Sharon a "war criminal" in 2005.

Muslim population in Europe is estimated to be around 7% of the total population. However, a significant number of Muslims in Europe are not citizens and therefore, not entitled to participate politically in the countries of their residence. Muslims in many European countries face racism, based on color and the anti-Islam propaganda carried out by pro-Israel groups which own most of Europe's mainstream media. The racism in France, which has the largest Muslim population in Europe (6-8 million) was summed-up by a diesel-brand jeans and red stiletto heels wearing with no Hijab, Fateh Mansour, a law student at the Sorbonne (2004): "France is not racist, but it's xenophobic. I can study the law all night, but I don't know if I will find a job not because I am not competent, but because I am an Arab". There is no Muslim in the French parliament and not a single French CEO is Muslim.

Dinah Spritzer, writing for the Jewish Journal (February 26, 200) while whining for emerging Muslim political power in a ZOG Europe admitted: "Many European politicians, particularly those from socialist parties(incidently, Herzl, Ben Gurion, and Israel's first president, Dr. Chaim Weizmann all belonged to European socialist groups), long have been strong critics of Israel's dealing with Palestinians without any prodding from European Muslim. When the streets of Europe exploded in January during Israel's 22-day operation against Hamas in Gaza, top European political figures were among those who participated in protests against Israeli operation such as head of Sweden's Socialist Party and former foreign minister joined 8,000 protesters in Stockholm on January 10 and a representative of Spain's prime minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero attended a rally of over 100,000 non-Muslims, who raised pro-Hamas and pro-Hizb'Allah slogans while cursed Israel...."

In 2005, Vivian Teitelbaum, a Jewish member of Brussel's regional legislature sponsored a bill to renew the region's scientific and industrial agreement, frozen in 2002 as a protest for Israeli Zionazi actions against Palestinian youth taking part in Intifada 2000. The proposal was defeated for which Vivian blamed Muslims for their political influence. One wonder, how come no Muslim legislator has ever proposed that Belgium should help Islamic Iran in its nuclear power-generating field?

Israel has MOSSAD offices in France, German, Holland, Belgium, Greece, India, UK and several other capitals to share intelligence on Islamic Iran, Hamas, Hizb'Allah and their supporters in the Muslim world. In 2006, Zionist entity's interior minister Gideon Ezra, asked his German counterpart, Wolfgang Schaeuble to declare Hizb'Allah as a terrorist organization and ban its TV station from broadcasting in the country. Imagine what would had been the reaction of German Jewish Lobby if a similar demand had been made by Iranian interior minister against Israel Occupation Force (IOF) which killed 1300 Labanese civilians during Israel's 34-day war on Hizb'Allah.

MOSSAD and the Europe's pro-Israel lobby groups have been known for keeping 'Islamophobe' fear alive in Europe. The notorious Danish Cartoons, published in Jyllands-Posten by its Ukrainian Jewish cultural editor, Flemming Rose, a close friend of Muslim-hating Jew Daneil Pipes was a Zionist plan to create 'Islamophobia' among European Christians for the benefit of Israel. Dutch MP Geert Wilder's anti-Islam movie Fitna - was also produced for the same Zionist agenda. Zionist thugs also distributed 28 million copies of anti-Islam DVD Obsession before US 2008 presidential election.

Practically, since the election of Sarkozy (son of a Jewish mother and a Catholic father and a former MOSSAD proxy) the entire EU has come under ZOG control

Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories [message #44327] Tue, 13 October 2009 15:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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http://www.humanitas-international.org/showcase/chronography /documents/luther-jews.htm

A little book by Martin Luther ( a Christian) ...

Heres the intro..








On the Jews and Their Lies, 1543
by Martin Luther (1483-1546)
Translated by Martin H. Bertram


I had made up my mind to write no more either about the Jews or against them. But since I learned that those miserable and accursed people do not cease to lure to themselves even us, that is, the Christians, I have published this little book, so that I might be found among those who opposed such poisonous activities of the Jews and who warned the Christians to be on their guard against them. I would not have believed that a Christian could be duped by the Jews into taking their exile and wretchedness upon himself. However, the devil is the god of the world, and wherever God's word is absent he has an easy task, not only with the weak but also with the strong. May God help us. Amen.

Grace and peace in the Lord. Dear sir and good friend, I have received a treatise in which a Jew engages in dialog with a Christian. He dares to pervert the scriptural passages which we cite in testimony to our faith, concerning our Lord Christ and Mary his mother, and to interpret them quite differently. With this argument he thinks he can destroy the basis of our faith.

This is my reply to you and to him. It is not my purpose to quarrel with the Jews, nor to learn from them how they interpret or understand Scripture; I know all of that very well already. Much less do I propose to convert the Jews, for that is impossible. Those two excellent men, Lyra and Burgensis, together with others, truthfully described the Jews' vile interpretation for us two hundred and one hundred years ago respectively. Indeed they refuted it thoroughly. However, this was no help at all to the Jews, and they have grown steadily worse.

They have failed to learn any lesson from the terrible distress that has been theirs for over fourteen hundred years in exile. Nor can they obtain any end or definite terminus of this, as they suppose, by means of the vehement cries and laments to God. If these blows do not help, it is resonable to assume that our talking and explaining will help even less.

Therefore a Christian should be content and not argue with the Jews. But if you have to or want to talk with them, do not say any more than this: "Listen, Jew, are you aware that Jerusalem and your sovereignty, together with your temple and priesthood, have been destroyed for over 1,460 years?" For this year, which we Christians write as the year 1542 since the birth of Christ, is exactly 1,468 years, going on fifteen hundred years, since Vespasian and Titus destroyed Jerusalem and expelled the Jews from the city. Let the Jews bite on this nut and dispute this question as long as they wish.

........see link if you want to read rest of book!!


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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories [message #44335] Tue, 13 October 2009 17:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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wow HDB Shocked Completely diffirent then his other work! Part IV is very interesting!! Most of the book is a bit over the top to say the least

[Updated on: Tue, 13 October 2009 17:39]

Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories [message #44357] Wed, 14 October 2009 09:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What You Will Never Hear in The US Media

Russia Today slaps the US media in the face, once again. How do they do this? Simply by reporting the facts, objectively.

It is a shame that you need to get to Russia when you are an American to get your News unfiltered and absent of propaganda that only serve huge corporations agendas.

Where is CNN? MSNBC? FOX? CNBC? ABC? CBS? NBC? NYTimes? WSJ? AP? Reuters?

http://world911truth.org/what-you-will-never-hear-in-the-us- media/
Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories [message #44368] Wed, 14 October 2009 10:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Are you a Jew with Moses(pbuh) as your Prophet and the Torah as your religious book
OR
Are you a Zionist without a religion and its ideology(Protocol) will lead to a World war


The Jewish people, from its inception, has been unique by its identity as a religious entity. Through the centuries its religious character had been a premise agreed upon by Jews and non-Jews alike. Our faith demands as the fundamental condition for recognition as a Jew, belief and adherence to the word of G-d, as was revealed to our forefathers on Mount Sinai. This is in itself, according to the tenets of the Jewish religion, sufficient to fulfill the definition of a Jew. Our religious and traditional history bears no aspect of racism. Hence, one of non-Jewish origin is capable of being proselytized and attaining the same status as a born Jew. Conversely, one of Jewish birth who does not recognize his being bound to the Jewish Torah, is by Jewish law a heretic, and therefore forfeits his spiritual birthrights as a Jew.

The purpose of the Jew is to bear witness to the existence of G-d, through his adherence to the Torah. The Al-mighty granted the Jews the land of Israel as the particular setting which would serve as the most conducive atmosphere to their performance of their duties to G-d.

The Jews in ancient times were banished from the land of Israel because they had failed to fulfill their obligations to the Al-mighty. Every Jew acknowledges this in his prayers (Umipnei Chatoeinu Golinu Meiartzeinu). They accepted the penalty of exile and were at that time expressed sworn by the Al-mighty not to accelerate their redemption on their own, and especially not to rebel against the nations under whose rule they were found. To the contrary, every Jew is commanded to pray for the peace and well being of the government of which he is the subject.

Through all the years of exile, pious Jews as individuals were attracted to reside in the Holy Land because of its innate holy character and the opportunity it offered for the observance of various precepts bound in the land. Jews as a whole continue to pray that the Al-mighty return his Divine presence to the Land of Israel, by the coming of the Messiah, who will build His Temple, from whence will emanate Divine Wisdom and ultimate spiritual fulfillment of the entire human race.

Through the many years that Jews resided in the Holy Land for this purpose, they enjoyed tranquil and cordial relations with the non-Jewish population there.

The Zionist movement which was formed at the latter part of the last century, sought to endow the Jews with a nationalistic character which was heretofore strange to them. It sought to deprive them of their historically religious character and offered in substitution of faith in G-d and adherence to the Torah, and belief in their ultimate redemption by the coming of the Messiah, a nationalistic ideology and the possibility of establishing through political media, a Jewish national homeland.

During the period of the British Mandate, the Balfour Declaration, which recognized the eventual possibility of founding a Jewish national homeland, in Palestine, was affirmed to be the British government. The Jewish Agency, who then was the Chief representative of Zionist interests in the Holy Land, was entrusted with the issuance of visas to the Holy Land, thus resulting in an increased Zionist immigration from various parts of the world, which ultimately succeeded in superceding in numbers, the veteran Orthodox dwellers.

Orthodox Jewry all over the world and the Orthodox Community in the Holy Land in particular, immediately sensed in this stage of Zionist success, the threat of grave danger for the religious future of Jews. The Arab inhabitants began to exhibit open hostility to their Jewish neighbors. The British government failed to distinguish between the Orthodox community, who for generations in habited the Holy Land, and the newly arrived Zionist immigrants.

With the acquisition by the Zionist nationalists of the power to organize communities in Palestine, they formed the Vaad Haleumi Leknesset Yisroel (National Jewish Council Committee). This committee ignored the rights of the Orthodox veteran dwellers who did not recognize this validity of Jewish nationality, and whose identification as Jews was solely with their loyalty to their religious heritage. The religious inhabitants, on the other hand, shuddered at the prospects of spiritual disintegration of World Jewry, with the new rise to power of the Zionist nationalists.

The Orthodox inhabitants actively objected to being subject to the authority of the secularists. They appealed their cause to the League of Nations, who consequently granted them a "Right of exclusion" to the subjugation to the Vaad Haleumi, which rights provided that any Jew wishing not to be incorporated into the Vaad Haleumi, may remain lawfully independent if he so stated his wish in writing. Thousands of Jews did so.

Such was the case until November 1948, when the United Nations finally sanctioned the establishment of a Zionist State. We do not doubt that their success in finally realizing their goal was due in great measure to their having misled the world into viewing the Zionist cause as the Jewish cause. The formation of the Zionist state resulted in the automatic deprivation of the autonomy heretofore possessed by the Orthodox inhabitants of the Holy Land.

The Zionists grasped in the acquisition of their new powers, the opportunity to openly disassociate themselves from any identification with Jews as a religion. They systematically began to orient the minds of their generations according to the tenets of Zionist nationalism. Through the Ministry of Religions they employed part of the Rabbinate to assist them in their aims.

The religious Jews who by virtue of their faith, clearly contradicted Zionist nationalism, and who had lived peacefully with their Arab neighbors for generations, became unwillingly identified with the Zionist cause and their struggle with the Arabs. They requested the United Nations that Jerusalem be designated as a defacto international city. They appealed to the diplocatic corps assigned to Jerusalem -- but to no avail. They were hence confronted with the choice of either becoming a part of the Zionist State, which diametrically opposed the interests of Jews as a religion, or abandoning the land of which their forefathers were the first Jewish settlers.

We find it of supreme importance to emphasize that we are fearful of the consequences of the Zionist rebellion against the Creator, as stated expressly in Jeremich, "For it is bad and bitter your renunciation of G-d..." We wish not to be affected by the behavior of this government who in the name of Israel, persist in their renunciation and utter disregard of religious Judaism such as is clearly attested by their laws expressly permitting wanton autopsies (Law of Anatomy and Pathology, 1953), forcible desecration of the Sabbath (Law of Emergency Labor Draft 1967: PPS 1, 19; 27, 36), profanation of Holy Sites by retaining non-religious custodians, desecration of Holy Cemetaries by Safed, Beth Shearim and elsewhere, and countless more examples, proof of which is readily available.

Insofar as all human being find necessary the protection of their rights as human beings, we hereby request all those that find it within their power, to aid us in reacquiring the rights we possessed prior to the formation of the Zionist State*, to remain lawfully independent of the Zionist authority.

You have a choice.Its never too late.Repent and come back to the path of God.Back to your religion Judaism.
Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories [message #44453] Wed, 14 October 2009 22:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Interesting Documentary...

imdb

wiki


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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories [message #44530] Thu, 15 October 2009 23:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Not a conspiracy theory just a scary truth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckLO8HcNyo

Now why would anyone ever question that any Arab leader would want to hurt America or Israel or even think up 911. I think this clip shows nothing but democracy and fair thinking in the Arab world and proves it must be therefore be America and Jews who are the perpetuators of all the associated problem of this world.

I give max respect to Farook and Taiquack for uncovering their in depth research (control C and uuhh ohh control V). These learned men are the ultimate visionaries in their poppy seed fields!
Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories [message #44542] Fri, 16 October 2009 10:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Top insurer tells 1,000 GPs not to give swine flu vaccine

http://www.independent.ie/health/swine-flu/top-insurer-tells -1000-gps-not-to-give-swine-flu-vaccine-1912502.html

There's culling and then there is business
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Novelist Dan Brown's new book, The Lost Symbol, is doing for the Freemasons what its predecessor, The Da Vinci Code, did for the Catholic Church, showering new fame, and new fictions, on a brotherhood that's already catnip for conspiracy theorists.

lastest on microchipping the population:
http://www.masonichip.org
Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories [message #44549] Fri, 16 October 2009 11:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jewish Masonic Lodge Awards Billy Graham

In their own words "B'nai B'rith, the only Jewish organization with a full-time presence at the United Nations, is the world's oldest and largest Jewish organization with members in 56 countries."

B'nai B'rith is an anti-christian jewish masonic lodge. They have a high rank in the Illuminati structure and they operate under several fronts. Not all the work they do is bad. They hunt nazis and usually fight again racism but being a form of Freemasonry, it operates as a secret society within a secret society, a circle within a circle etc, so that only the elite of this organization knows the real agenda and the normal jewish person working for them is doing the best they can. I will present as much documentation later on in this article to show the Masonic structure within this group, but first I will mention their link to Billy Graham.


This page is NOT anti-semetic. To any jewish readers out there, I know that B'nai B'rith has helped your people out in many ways but this is not what I am discussing. Freemasonry gives millions and millions of dollars away every year to charities, hospitals and many needy organizations but this is only a front to conceal the true goals of this secret society. Many good masons who are unaware of their leaderships Luciferian plots continue to do good works in the name of Freemasonry which gives it a very respectable cover to operate under. This is the same technique utilized by B'nai B'rith which is a Jewish form of Freemasonry. I believe as well as many if not most jews that there is a major plan to exterminate all of their race and I have quite a bit of proof about this which mentions who will kill them and how many jews will die in the future. And believe me that I am on your side but not on the side of the minority Jewish Illuminati Elite who do not care about the common jewish person. Sure there is a great jewish element in the Illuminati but there is a very specific reason for this and people that say the jews are responsible for all the evil should remember that the Bible states that it will be only jews that will be sealed to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ in the tribulation period.

The Billy Graham Deception

http://www.geocities.com/endtimedeception/jewish.htm
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Ive watched allot of shows about Billy Graham and I'm convinced he has no hidden motives. His outreach programs in Africa was amazing and he has a few great concept / rules, 1 being to NEVER talk to a woman alone, except for his wife (doesnt allow room for the evil 1 to plant lies). He's extremely humble and gives Jesus all the glory.

As for the sentence " remember that the Bible states that it will be only jews that will be sealed to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ in the tribulation period",

the above doesnt make sense because any 1 that follows Jesus knows that he sent His Holy Spirit down (when He went back to heaven and His Father)to live in the believer's spirit.

So if the Spirit works through those that believe in Him (His church) and His big comission to preach the Gospel to ALL nations and make them His deciples, this simply doent agree with the statement they make..

Simply my views and i'm no expert Smile
Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories [message #44578] Fri, 16 October 2009 15:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
farouk  South Africa
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Today you cannot trust no one.Once they throw the Dollars at them ,they sell their souls to the devil.As the old sayings goes "do not judge a book by its cover".May God help us all.

Pastor Herrell is a member of Christian Identity whose writings end up on scores of hate and racist websites. He stated very clearly what he really hates: "freedom of individuals, tolerance and generosity toward all people, and equality of people of all races, religions, and beliefs." This well describes most Deists, Jews, Unitarians, and some Christians. He hates the very people his idol Hitler also hated. He is just another extreme-right mental case. These kinds of conspiracy theories, paranoia, and lies flood the Internet "mind-snaring" mainly Christian fundamentalists that have been taught all their lives to abandon reason and just follow. Note the list of "Jews" he presents.

See Why Do Some People Hate Freemasonry?
Dogma of Christian Identity
History of Christian Identity

Deist Masons are Jewish
by Pastor V.S. Herrell

Few white people in America are aware of the truth behind the Masons. Some may be perceptive enough to recognize Masonic symbols on license plates, cars, tombstones, etc., but they may not realize the type of people who are Masons or what Freemasonry is all about. Even less realize that Freemasonry is really just a code name for Judaism. Many will say that it is an organization founded in Christian principles, but this is far from the truth. In fact, the basic tenet of Freemasonry is anti-Christian, promoting "freedom of individuals, tolerance and generosity toward all people, and equality of people of all races, religions, and beliefs," as one Jewish Mason has stated. In fact, a cursory glance at Masonic literature shows that this is always stated as one of their basic beliefs. They also claim to believe in one God who created everyone. Thus we have the theory of "The Fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of all Mankind," which is fundamentally against the teachings of the Bible.

The Jewish influence in the creation of Masonry in America is undeniable. Masons are proud of their list of "famous Masons" (many of which are printed at the end of this article). Perhaps one of the most well-known is George Washington. There was at least one Jew in his lodge, and there were 24 Jewish Masons promoted to officers' ranks in George Washington's army, and many are proud of their influence in the American Revolution. One, Haym Salomon, was essential in contributing money to finance the war effort. He also loaned money to Jefferson, Madison, Lee, and others.

Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Georgia, South Carolina, and Virginia all had Jews active in establishing the Masonic temples and rites in America. The Scottish Rite was introduced in America by a Jew named Moses Michael Hays. Paul Revere, another famous Mason, was Deputy Grand Master in Massachusetts at the time the Jew Hays was in the highest Masonic leadership position in that state. Other Jewish Masons held high posts in the late 18th century in America during, before, and after the American Revolution. At least 51 American Grand Masters have been Jewish.

The story is not much different in England. In fact, the Jews used deistic Masonry as a stepping stone to gaining control of England. Prior to Freemasonry, Jews were forbidden from participation in almost all English activities - political and so on. After Freemasons allowed Jews into the movement, or rather, after Jews created the Freemasonry movement with its ideal of "all men created equal," Jews were allowed into English society and positions of power.

While Masons deny that they have benefited and have been instrumental in almost all so-called revolutions and wars in European and American history of any significance, history proves that Masons and Jews have actively promoted unrest for their benefit. They were definitely closely involved with the American Revolution, the Russian Revolution, and the French Revolution. The ousting and murder of the French Aristocracy was an assault perpetrated by those who espoused the lies of Masonry. As a result of the French Revolution, Jews were allowed to work among the white French, the same feat they had accomplished in England. The separation of Church and State in France became possible (sound familiar?). French Masonic lodges were admitting Jews wholeheartedly, teaching that it did not matter what your religion was, as long as you were dedicated to the principles of Masonry (which are almost identical to so-called Judaism).

It is no secret that Masonic rituals are basically identical to Talmudic Jewish rituals. These so-called rites are performed inside "temples" veiled in secrecy. Even Jews admit that rituals similar to B'nai B'rith rituals are found in Freemasonry and that the fundamental tenets of Judaism and Freemasonry are identical. Four of the Jewish founding members of B'nai B'rith were also members of the Masons or Odd-Fellows (Jones, Roadacher, Renau, and Isaac Rosenbourg).

Even the Catholic Church has a well-known history of attacking Masons and Jews as being in bed together, bent on the destruction of Christianity. Today, however, they play down their former zeal in fighting against the Masons and the Jews and have, in truth, been purposely infiltrated by Jews for the destruction of Roman Catholicism. In one article published in the Catholic magazine The Point in January, 1954, we read:

"From the time the Apostles first began to evangelize the nations, the Catholic Church has had one great, fierce, and enduring enemy. That enemy is the Jews - the people who rejected their King and their God, who crucified Him, and who prophesied the stain that should forever mark them, in their defiant shout, 'His Blood be upon us and upon our children!'

"Not until the eighteenth century, when the Freemasons began to take over the governments of Europe, did the Jews really come into their own. Before that they had been obliged to work mostly underground, exerting their influence in hidden, subtle ways. But from this time on they worked in the open.

"Being formed for the purpose of combating Christ and His Church, the Masons shrewdly realized that to wage this war effectively they must enlist the aid of that people who had always been the backbone of the anti-Christian army. Accordingly, the Masons' terminology, their secret rituals, their philosophy, were all taken over from the Jews. But the Masons' greatest stroke was to make use, not merely of these perfidious traditions, but of the vital, raging Jewish people themselves. As the Masons took over the Nations of Europe, the Jews were released from the ghettos in which they had been for centuries confined, and turned out on society."

That being said, let us look at a list of some of the most famous Masons. For those who know anything about history, you will notice all the Jews, mongrels, atheists, and other so-called "heroes" of America's Jewish democracy.

Aldrin, Edwin "Buzz" - Astronaut
Armstrong, Neal - Astronaut
Arnold, General Henry - Military leader
Atkins, Chet - Atheist musician
Austin, Stephen - "Father" of Texas
Autry, Gene - Actor
Baldwin, Henry - Supreme Court Justice
Balfour, Lloyd - Jeweler
Bartholdi, Frederic - Designer of the Statue of Liberty
Baylor, Robert - Founder, Baylor University
Beard, Daniel Carter - Founder, Boy Scouts
Bell, Lawrence - Founder, Bell Aircraft Corp
Bellamy, Francis - Writer, The Pledge of Allegiance
Black, Hugo - Supreme Court Justice
Blair, John - Supreme Court Justice
Blatchford, Samuel - Supreme Court Justice
Borglum, Gutzon and Lincoln - Mt. Rushmore
Bradley, Omar N. - General, U.S. Army
Bryan, Richard - US Senator
Buchanan, James - US President
Burns, Conrad - US senator
Burton, Harold - Supreme Court Justice
Byrd, Robert - US Senator
Byrnes, Robert - Supreme Court Justice
Carnahan, Melvin - Governor, Missouri
Catton, John - Supreme Court Justice
Chrysler, Walther P. - Founder, Chrysler Corp.
Churchill, Winston S. - Former Prime Minister, Great Britain
Clark, Roy - Musician
Clark, Thomas C. - Supreme Court Justice
Clarke, John H. - Supreme Court Justice
Clemens, Samuel (Mark Twain) - Author
Cobb, Ty - Athlete
Cody, William (Buffalo Bill) - "Wild West" Figure
Cohan, George M. - Broadway Star
Cushing, William - Supreme Court Justice
Dempsey, Jack - Athlete
Devanter, Willis V. - Supreme Court Justice
Disney, Walt - Founder, Walt Disney Co.
Dole, Bob - US Senator
Douglas, William - Supreme Court Justice
Dow, William H - Dow Chemical Co.
Edward VII and Edward VIII - "Queens" of England
Ellery, William - Signer, Declaration of Independence
Ellsworth, Oliver - Supreme Court Justice
Ervin, Sam J. - US Senator
Ford, Gerald - US President
Ford, Henry - Ford Motor Company
Franklin, Benjamin - Signer, US Constitution
Freeman, Orville - Secretary of USDA; former Minnesota Governor
Gable, Clark - Actor
Garfield, James - US President
George VI - King of England
Gillett, King C. - Gillett Razor Co.
Glenn, John H. -Astronaut and Senator
Godfrey, Arthur - Radio Jew
Gompers, Samuel - Founder, American Federation of Labor
Grassley, Charles - US Senator
Hancock, John - Signer, Declaration of Independence
Harding, Warren G. - US President
Hardy, Oliver - Actor
Harlan, John M. - Supreme Court Justice
Harvey, Paul - Radio Announcer
Hatfield, Mark - US Senator
Hawkins, Augustus - US Congressman, California
Helms, Jesse - US Senator
Henry, Patrick - American "Patriot"
Hilton, Charles C. - Hilton Hotels
Hoban, James - White House Architect
Hollings, Ernest - US Senator
Hoover, J. Edgar - Former Director, FBI
Hope, Bob - Comedian
Houston, Sam - 2nd and 4th President, Republic of Texas
Humphrey, Hubert - US Vice President
Ives, Burle - Actor
Jackson, Andrew - US President
Jackson, Robert H. - Supreme Court Justice
James I - Sponsored the King James Version
Jefferson, Thomas - US President
Johnson, Andrew - US President
Johnston, J. Bennett - US Senator
Jones, Melvin - Founding Member, Lions International
Kemp, Jack - Former US Congressman
Key, Francis Scott - Writer, National Anthem
LaGuardia, F. H. - Diplomat and Mayor of New York City three times
Lamar, Joseph E. - Supreme Court Justice
Lincoln, Elmo - Actor
Lipton, Sir Thomas - Lipton Tea Company
Lloyd, Harold C. - Actor
Lott, Trent - US Senator
MacArthur, Douglas - Military leader
Madison, James - US President
Marshall, John - Chief Justice, US Supreme Court, 1801-1835
Mathews, Stanley - Supreme Court Justice
McKinley, William - US President
Mesmer, F. A. - Important Figure in the "Spiritualism" Movement (where we get the term "mesmerize")
Miller, Glenn - Director
Minton, Sherman - Supreme Court Justice
Mix, Tom - US Marshall, Actor
Monroe, James - US President
Moody, William H. - Supreme Court Justice
Murphy, Audie - Soldier
Nelson, Samuel - Supreme Court Justice
Nunn, Sam - US Senator
Olds, Ranson E. - Olds Motor Co.
Otis, James - "Taxation without representation is tyranny"
Palmer, Arnold - Athlete
Paterson, William - Supreme Court Justice
Peale, Norman Vincent - Guidepost
Penny, James C. - Founder, JC Penny Co.
Pershing, John Joseph - Military leader
Pitney, Mahlon - Supreme Court Justice
Polk, James K. - US President
Rangel, Charles - US Congressman, New York
Reed, Stanley - Supreme Court Justice
Revere, Paul - American "Patriot"
Rickenbacker, General Eddie - Pilot
Ringling Brothers (seven brothers and their father, all masons)
Rogers, Roy - Actor
Rogers, Will - Actor
Roosevelt, Franklin D. - US President
Roosevelt, Theodore - US President
Rush, Benjamin - Signer, Declaration of Independence
Rutledge, Wiley B. - Chief Supreme Court Justice
Sanders, Harland - Founder, Kentucky Fried Chicken
Simpson, Alan - US Senator
Skelton, Red - Comedian
Smith, John Stafford - Composer, Music for National Anthem
Sousa, John Phillip - Composer
Stassen, Harold - Signer, UN Charter
Stewart, Potter - Supreme Court Justice
Stokes, Louis - US Congressman Ohio
Swayne, Noah H. - Supreme Court Justice
Taft, William Howard - US President
Teets, John W. - Chairman and President, Dial Corp.
Thomas, Craig - US Senator
Thomas, Danny - Actor
Thomas, Dave - Founder, Wendy's
Thomas, Lowell - Radio Announcer
Thompson, Tommy - Wisconsin Governor
Thurmond, Strom - US Senator
Tillis, Mel - Singer
Todd, Thomas - Supreme Court Justice
Trimble, Robert - Supreme Court Justice
Truman, Harry S. - US President
Vinson, Frederick M. - Supreme Court Justice
Voltaire - Author
Wallace, George - Former Alabama Governor and presidential candidate
Warren, Earl - Supreme Court Justice
Washington, George - US President
Wayne, John - Actor
Wells, H.G. - Author
Wilde, Oscar - Author
Woodbury, Levi - Supreme Court Justice
Woods, William B. - Supreme Court Justice
Young, Cy - Athlete
Zanuck, Darryl F. - Cofounder, 20th Century Productions

Famous Black Masons

Allen, Richard - Founder of the AME Church
Armstrong, Louis - Black trumpet player
Bassie, William (Count) - Orchestra Leader
Cole, Nat 'King' - Singer
Ellington, Duke - Composer
Evers, Medger - Black Agitator
Haley, Alex - Roots Author
Hall, Prince - First Black Freemason in America
Henson, Josiah - Inspired Uncle Tom's Cabin
Hooks, Ben - Former Executive Director, NAACP
Johnson, John - Magazine Publisher, EBONY and Jet
Marshall, Thurgood - Supreme Court Justice
Robinson, Sugar Ray - Athlete
Washington, Booker T. - Author

Famous (Admittedly) Jewish Masons

Berlin, Irving - Composer
Borgnine, Ernest - Actor
DeMille, Cecil B. - Entertainer
Fairbanks, Douglas - Actor
Fields, W.C. - Jewish Jester
Goldwater, Barry - US Senator
Houdini, Harry - Jewish magician
Jolson, Al - Actor, famous for "Blackface" singing
Mayer, Louis B. - Film Producer, MGM studios
Montefiore, Sir Moses - Famous British Jew
Sellers, Peter - Actor
Warner, Jack - Warner Brothers
Wyler, William - Director
Ziegfeld, Florenz - Ziegfeld's Follies

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