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Re: ACL JSE trading halt [message #51035] Tue, 09 March 2010 14:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jaDEB  United Kingdom
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duderoo wrote on Tue, 09 March 2010 13:15
jaDEB wrote on Thu, 04 March 2010 11:09
Bought some more at 18 c ACLSBL.....]


I see ur down at the moment, still holding?


Yip, still holding, not to worried. UUU will save my a$$ tomorrow when they release their results......take your pills jaDEB.....

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Re: ACL JSE trading halt [message #51039] Tue, 09 March 2010 15:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Cut Loss  South Africa
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Call warrants and long trading on a loss making share like this is high risc gambling. The trend on ACL is down and my value for ACL is R70.
Re: ACL JSE trading halt [message #51041] Tue, 09 March 2010 15:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shi  South Africa
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The picture will change drasticly when the results of the negotiations with KIO are released so I would not touch this one. It will either make u a bundle or wipe out your holding.
Re: ACL JSE trading halt [message #51043] Tue, 09 March 2010 15:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
hdbb  South Africa
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Shi wrote on Tue, 09 March 2010 15:46
The picture will change drasticly when the results of the negotiations with KIO are released so I would not touch this one. It will either make u a bundle or wipe out your holding.


Shi think like a lawyer or a politician and make your pick.. Very Happy
Tank where r u?? Rolling Eyes

Im for an ACL win!! Kio trying to run away from a contract using some techinically which wont hold any weight whatsoever!!

Nice to see who has more muscle.. Anglos or Mr Mittal!!
Mr Mittal hands down!!


hdb
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Re: ACL JSE trading halt [message #51044] Tue, 09 March 2010 16:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
duderoo  South Africa
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hdbb wrote on Tue, 09 March 2010 15:52
Shi wrote on Tue, 09 March 2010 15:46
The picture will change drasticly when the results of the negotiations with KIO are released so I would not touch this one. It will either make u a bundle or wipe out your holding.


Shi think like a lawyer or a politician and make your pick.. Very Happy
Tank where r u?? Rolling Eyes

Im for an ACL win!! Kio trying to run away from a contract using some techinically which wont hold any weight whatsoever!!

Nice to see who has more muscle.. Anglos or Mr Mittal!!
Mr Mittal hands down!!


So have you taken a go on this one.
Re: ACL JSE trading halt [message #51049] Tue, 09 March 2010 17:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shi  South Africa
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If I could choose I would go for ACL, but the timing is against going with a call warant. So that would mean buying the shares. U never know how long the lawyers r gonna take to sort this out. And u suspect that if it goes one way, the other party might take it further (courts).
Re: ACL JSE trading halt [message #51053] Tue, 09 March 2010 17:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jaDEB  United Kingdom
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Shi wrote on Tue, 09 March 2010 17:12
If I could choose I would go for ACL, but the timing is against going with a call warant. So that would mean buying the shares. U never know how long the lawyers r gonna take to sort this out. And u suspect that if it goes one way, the other party might take it further (courts).


Unfortunately I must agree with Shi's statement....time is running out for the warrant.....


jaDEB

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Re: ACL JSE trading halt [message #51110] Wed, 10 March 2010 10:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
PROPPIES  South Africa
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Baught some more - long @ 88.60


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Re: ACL JSE trading halt [message #51139] Wed, 10 March 2010 15:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
hdbb  South Africa
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Seems like bears ruling for the moment..Not letting it go above R89.00 Rolling Eyes


hdb
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Re: ACL JSE trading halt [message #51145] Wed, 10 March 2010 16:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
twitchy  South Africa
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I've got this gut feeling that I'm going to be caught here! I'm convinced we are going to wake up one morning to see this share on the way to the moon. A cfd long here is going to make a packet! Oh, where are my steel cahones?
Re: ACL JSE trading halt [message #51176] Thu, 11 March 2010 10:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
hdbb  South Africa
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JOHANNESBURG (miningweekly.com) - The Department of Mineral Resources (DMR) has confirmed to Mining Weekly Online that the 21,4% undivided share that ArcelorMittal South Africa had hitherto owned in the Sishen iron-ore mine had reverted to State custodianship, in line with the prescripts of the Mineral and Petroleum Resources Development Act (MPRDA).

Spokesperson Jeremy Michaels said that the DMR had held separate meetings with both ArcelorMittal South Africa and Kumba Iron Ore (KIO), the majority shareholder in Sishen Iron Ore Company (SIOC), which cancelled a supply agreement with the steel group from March 1, 2010, citing as its key reason the failure of the company to convert its rights from the old to the new order by the April 30, 2009, deadline.

"In terms of the MPRDA, the State is the custodian of the country's minerals and the mining right in question has, therefore, reverted to the State," Michaels told Mining Weekly Online in response to questions.

But he added the DMR saw the dispute on the matter as one between two private entities and that it was "treating it as such".

ArcelorMittal South Africa indicated to Mining Weekly Online that the dispute had entered a delicate phase and would not be drawn on whether it had met with government, nor on whether it had been informed of DMR's position on the mineral rights in questions.

KIO CFO Vincent Uren told Mining Weekly Online that he was not aware of the DMR pronouncement, but confirmed that there had been communication between the company and the department - a fact, which he said had been highlighted in KIO's most recent notice to the stock exchange.

SIOC was still supplying iron-ore to the JSE-listed steel group and had proposed an interim pricing arrangement. Mining Weekly Online understands that SIOC has given ArcelorMittal South Arica until mid-March to accept or reject this interim arrangement.

But it is understood that SIOC was keen to transition to selling the equivalent 6,25-million tons on full commercial terms to the steel company. It has also confirmed that it is in talks with the DMR in relation to "the residual 21,4% old-order mining rights in respect of the Sishen mine".

ArcelorMittal South Africa continues to argue that it was of the "firm opinion" that the long-term supply agreement remained "valid and binding" and that it would take "all steps necessary to protect its shareholders in this regard".

A dispute-resolution process, which could include arbitration, was being pursued in line with the initial 2001 unbundling agreement, which saw Iscor separated into a steel entity, ArcelorMittal South Africa, and an iron-ore miner, KIO.


Not looking too good for ACL...expect further downside!!




hdb
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Re: ACL JSE trading halt [message #51206] Thu, 11 March 2010 14:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jaDEB  United Kingdom
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jaDEB wrote on Thu, 04 March 2010 12:14
Nope, will hang on 4 while (5 Days minimum), see what happens next week. Once panic is gone ACL might recover to above R100.....me thinks market over reacted....major..




Dear jaDEB,

May we please have an extension on our closing date (Sell) to next week end 19th March 2010. Apologies for that, but we will try again to recover to acceptable sell levels.

Regards

ACLSBL

JA OK.....but......hurry UP....


jaDEB

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Re: ACL JSE trading halt [message #51215] Thu, 11 March 2010 15:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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YES, looks the same to me, I don't think it will recover to anywhere near R100 in 2010

Look like falling away on R88,00 each time it touched the level today

It could always go back to R82 or lower now.... Smile
Re: ACL JSE trading halt [message #51222] Thu, 11 March 2010 16:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
PROPPIES  South Africa
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My long got stopped out at 87,50


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Re: ACL JSE trading halt [message #51549] Wed, 17 March 2010 10:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shi  South Africa
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I get the feeling that the longer this dispute is being resolved the less likely there will be a ruling in ACL's favour.
Re: ACL JSE trading halt [message #51585] Wed, 17 March 2010 18:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
brutus  South Africa
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This is beginning to get really messy!!

It seems that someone else has been granted Arcelor's mineral rights that were not converted in terms of the new law, and it is not KIO!

This case looks like it will almost certainly go to court now, with three parties slugging it out.
Re: ACL JSE trading halt [message #51599] Thu, 18 March 2010 07:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jaDEB  United Kingdom
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Ja, beeld news this morning other unnamed company got 21% mining rights to Sishen.....


jaDEB

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Re: ACL JSE trading halt [message #51603] Thu, 18 March 2010 09:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jaDEB  United Kingdom
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Wonder if ACL will fire anybody over this mistake...

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jaDEB

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Re: ACL JSE trading halt [message #51604] Thu, 18 March 2010 09:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
hdbb  South Africa
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What mistake?? Only loser will be KIO!!
The 20 some odd % now sold to 3rd party, and ACL going to win the case for iron ore to be sold to ACL at cost + 2% , Kumba thought they being very clever have now dug a hole for them selves..
Who ran first to dept of Minerals after that 20% was sold to third party??
Kio or ACL?? Rolling Eyes

Id go long ACL and short KIO!!
Win big or lose all but id say KIO messed this up!!

[Updated on: Thu, 18 March 2010 09:32]


hdb
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Re: ACL JSE trading halt [message #51606] Thu, 18 March 2010 09:59 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
jaDEB  United Kingdom
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Hope you are right, and wrong. As I have ACL warrants and KIO shares.....


jaDEB

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