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| Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories [message #51582] |
Wed, 17 March 2010 17:36   |
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tank 
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thanks farouk and hdb. no Hdb, from what ive read the way the Prophet is portraid by the mainstream west isnt accurate. how you explained those stories defnitly shed some light and I remember many stories in Old testament books where "bad" things were done by men that were either seen as holy men at that stage or later on. so the actions of men has to be put in context and i fully agree that no one can simply judge a religion or some ones view without actually knowing what it is they believe (stydying it).
I'm just going to type how i see certain things at this stage and i'm typing this post with all due respect  , without copying from other sites or planning a draft etc, so please excuse me if i'm not writing with the accuracy of a professor 
I'm not very knowledgeble on religions, except the little i know of my own belief system (God = Father, Jesus and Holy Spirit) and the bit i've studied re Islam.
Ive defnitly gained respect for Muslims over the years. I think most pail skin lighties (whether i'm descended from French, German or what ever mix) grow up thinking our version of Christianity is the only true Faith and way to God and that anyone else, even from a similar Christian branch of our faith is probably going to hell and is out to get us (because Satan inlfuances them).
Ive slowly over the years realised its not that clean cut. I'm not commenting on this thread to try and convince someone of anything, I'm using it to learn and think with other thinkers (many people dont really think anymore).
The main reason why i find Judahism and Islam hard to fully relate to is because the old and new testament together, i believe is God's Word as revealed through His Holy Spirit to Prophets and believers, and most of all through Jesus (who i believe was fully man and God while on earth). So my main focus and when i compare anything to my faith is the Lord Jesus and His message. His message summarised is Love, Hope, Humility and Grace.
The way I see it, just like it was practise in those times to slougther your best animal to make amence between man and man or man and God, Jesus was needed as the perfect offer for all mankind's sins. Up to that point normal believers couldnt speak to God and they couldnt be sure all their sins are forgiven, after Jesus's crucifiction (and His resurection 3 days later and thereafter acsended to Heaven) any believer that believed in Him could invite the Holy Spirit into his own, speak to God directly and confess / ask for forgivness and its forgiven.
I also believe Jesus was without sin.
Like i said my knowledge is limited, i'm young and porbably keeping myslef too busy with other things. So i'm slowly learning more, but i'm convinced about where i'm going when this body i'm in dies
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| Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories [message #51655] |
Thu, 18 March 2010 15:27 |
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Lets us have some tea a take a peak into how the advocates of the Religion of Peace treat others and to what extent their involvement is.
Take a glance at the Ku Klux Klan and the Crown Prince who is a member of the royal family of Abu Dhabi, one of the UAE's seven emirates. Guess he knows about the peace FARBBD speaks of:
http://robertscourt.blogspot.com/2009/05/cnns-shocking-unite d-arab-emirates.html
And what are teachers and masses of children being taught every single day?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI-DiaBi7VE
How about the President of Iran and the odd 100 000 people chanting some niceties:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92myDzAFgU4&feature=relat ed
Christian Lebanese Woman talks about her life, Arabs and Israel. The story goes on in the links next to her video. Thank g-d for people like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZLD4jfWuU4
Persecution of Christians in Iraq
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6-N2vp4TSU&feature=relat ed
Christians and Jews persecuted under Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyIo0-fEvUc&feature=relat ed
FARDDB snorts:
Islam is not a homogenous religion. It is divided into many subgroups, including Sunni, Shi'ite, and Sufi. A very small, radicaland extremist wing does exist
Western says:
A very small? Say that again Mr Truth teller, a very small?, what's that one last time please.
A very small?
Ahh FARDDB.
We are truly honoured to have your honesty, integrity and insight here. Your credibility is without question.
Have a good weekend Cuzzy's and remember that glass of milk awaits you. Nice kitties 
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| Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories [message #51658] |
Thu, 18 March 2010 15:44 |
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JEWISH MOTHERS ARE a powerful force in a Jewish child's life. This powerful force continues unabated far into the adult years of a Jewish child.
It was my Jewish mother who pampered me, spoiled me, and smothered me with a blanket of over-protectedness and over-bearingness for a large part of my life.
Not only did my Jewish mother want to know during my adult years if I was eating well, (and what exactly I had to eat that day), but if ever I was going to rise above the level of under-achievement by becoming someday a doctor or a lawyer. Anything less was to be a complete failure in her eyes. "It's never too late," my Jewish mother kept scolding me.
I was a straight-commissioned salesman for a manufacturer of cleaning products and this was not the kind of profession my mother could brag about to her Jewish friends.
"What field is your son in?" my mother's Jewish lady friends at Hadassah meetings would ask her. "He's the Director of Personnel for a large manufacturing concern," my mother would answer -- substituting "personnel" for my sales-calls on "persons."
But the main thing that my mother would never forgive me for, (until she got baptized 33 years later), was my converting to Christianity when I was 21 years old in 1971. This for her was tantamount to being a janitor in an Elks Club - the ultimate for her in under-achievement
ZIONISM DRUMMED INTO MY HEAD
I WAS BORN in 1950, two years after the State of Israel was declared a nation in 1948. I guess you could say that not only was I a "baby boomer," but a "Zionist boomer" as well.
My parents enrolled me in Sabbath school when I was 6 years old and so began my indoctrination into the holy grail of Zionism. It was crammed into my little Jewish head that Zionism's raison d'etre was "all of the horrible Anti-Semitic attacks on us 'innocent' Jews & wasn't it about time that we 'innocent' Jews had a homeland of our own?"
But having grown up Jewish, and constantly hearing Jews calling the Gentiles, "goyim," and calling the Gentile women, "shiksas," (from the Hebrew word "shaygitz," an "unclean animal"), I knew that Jews were anything but "holy innocents."
MY TRIP TO ISRAEL
IN 1992 I made aliyah to our wonderful "homeland," the State of Israel. Even though I was at the time an Orthodox Christian, I still had not completely shed my Zionist indoctrination.
The first thing I said to my traveling companion when we walked out of the Tel Aviv Airport was, "This all reminds me of Southern California." And as we wended our way through "the holy land," I never retracted this first impression.
On our 3rd day, we visited the historic Wailing Wall in Jerusalem. It was very crowded as the Jewish Festival of Purim was fast approaching. Purim is a riotous holiday for religious Jews and apparently the Orthodox Jews were already in a riotous mood. (Religious Jews are commanded by the Talmud to get drunk during the days of Purim.)
I walked through the crowd at the Wailing Wall with my petition in hand to stick into one of the cracks in the wall when a crowd of Hasidic Jews started pushing me from behind. I felt as if I was struck by a hydrogen bomb. They were blabbering away in Yiddish and I, being in secular clothes & not donning a yarmulke, was no better to the Hasids than a "goy."
"Hey! I yelled at them," as they pushed their way past me, "don't you people have any manners?" One of them, evidently thinking that I was a Gentile tourist, turned to me & said, "We don't slow down for mumsers." ("Mumser" means "bastard" in Yiddish.)
JEWS & ARABS
On our last day in "Zion," my rental car broke down in an Arab village outside of Jerusalem. It was dusk and my lady traveling companion kept on saying, "The Arabs are going to kill us -- the Arabs are going to kill us." But I kept my cool.
I opened up the hood and propped it up to advertise that the car had broken down. About 5 minutes later, two young Arab boys in their early twenties walked over and said to me in English, "We are mechanics. We'll fix your car."
"How much will you charge?" I asked. "Nothing, we'll fix it for free," they replied. And indeed they did! We exchanged addresses and phone #'s and while driving out of the Arab village I said to my friend, "There's got to be a way for Jews and Arabs to live together in peace ... but Zionism seems to me to be the main obstacle."
My lady friend, an arch-Zionist, answered, "It doesn't matter that Jews and Arabs should live in peace. The only thing that matters is that we've got our homeland and we've got to do everything we can to keep it."
Suddenly the phrase flashed through my mind, "The meek shall inherit the earth." Reflecting on this, I knew that there was nothing meek about Zionists. From that day on, I understood just how wrong my Zionist friend really was.....
hdb
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| Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories [message #51659] |
Thu, 18 March 2010 15:50 |
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hdbb
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ZIONISTS STOLE THE LAND OF PALESTINE
ZIONISTS HAVE LONG MAINTAINED the myth that Palestine was uninhabited before their arrival. However, the British Foreign Secretary, Lord Curzon, writing on October 26, 1917, refutes this myth:
-- "There are over a half a million Arabs in Palestine. They own the soil which belongs either to individual landowners or to village communities. They will not be content either to be expropriated for Jewish immigrants or to act merely as hewers of wood and drawers of water to the latter." --
There were only 19 small Jewish settlements in Palestine by 1900, all of them established by Edmond de Rothschild. Some of the settlements were in the Jaffa citrus grove area whose owners were mostly Arabs.
Jaffa was the most advanced city in Palestine with its banking, fishing, manufacturing, and agriculture industries. It should be noted that the majority of all Arabic publications and newspapers in Palestine were published in Jaffa. Thus the Zionists targeted Jaffa in order to destroy the Palestinian "propaganda" arm.
On May 23 1948, the so-called Israeli War Of Independence broke out. Only ten days after the outbreak, the majority of Jaffa's Arab population, numbering at least 50,000, were ethnically cleansed. Haifa's Arab population, numbering at least 35,000, suffered the same fate
These included the groves owned by the renowned Palestinian, Hajj Khalil al-Banna Here & Here. Today, ironically, citrus fruits constitute two-thirds of all Israeli exports.
There was also desecration of Christian churches in Jaffa Here. Father Deleque, a Catholic priest, reported:
-- "On May 13 1948, Jewish soldiers broke down the doors of my church and robbed many precious and sacred objects. Then they threw the statues of Christ down into a nearby garden." --
ON MARCH 11 2008, the Reverend John Hagee spoke at Rabbi Stephen S. Wise Temple in Los Angeles Here. Hagee was given several standing ovations by his Jewish audience especially when he avowed his support for the Zionist State of Israel. Hagee said:
-- "I regard the founding of the State of Israel to be the most important event of the 20th Century. This 'in-gathering' is a necessary prelude to the rebuilding of the Temple." --
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-- "I do not believe that Israel ought to give up any territory it now controls." --
The problem with Hagee and all of the Christian-Zionists is that they are making God an accomplice to Zionist racism, theft, and murder. In other words, "God is not the author of evil but of peace!"
HOW DO WE STOP ZIONIST EVIL?
Here Are 3 Possible Solutions:
1) Put a gag into Hagee's mouth.
2) Tell all the Zionists to stop being Anti-Semites. (Arabs are Semites.)
3) Repatriate all the Israelis, convert them to the holy Christian faith, and give the land of Palestine back to their legal owners!
Then & Only Then Can We Begin To See Peace On Earth, Goodwill Towards Men!
hdb
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| Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories [message #51678] |
Thu, 18 March 2010 21:54 |
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hdbb
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@Tank and Christians.
These posts are for your interest...Try and understand the meanings..
Luke 21:20: "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near ... for these are days of vengeance. For great distress shall be upon the earth and wrath upon this people"
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hdb
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| Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories [message #51708] |
Fri, 19 March 2010 10:47 |
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tank
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The copy and paste below shows who spoke and about who HDB.. obviously this is just a person's view (i'm not sure whther its 100% acurate history but dont have the time to research the history properly right now), but something to think about at least. No 1 knows exactly at what
Jesus seems to indicate that the destruction of the temple and of Jerusalem are separate in time from his own coming. In the first section of our passage Jesus tells his disciples what to do when Jerusalem is besieged. Then he explains how his Second Coming will be observed.
The Siege of Jerusalem (21:20)
Jesus foretells the beginning of the end for Jerusalem: The siege of Jerusalem under Titus actually took place over several months, from Spring until about August 9, 70 AD. It began with a gradual encirclement:
"When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near." (21:20)
"Surrounded" (NIV) and "compassed" (KJV) translate the Greek verb kukloo, "to move so as to encircle an object, surround, encircle."[2] Jewish historian Josephus explains that the encircling of Jerusalem took place in stages until finally troops from four legions surrounded the city, but people were still able to escape from the city or bring provisions into it. Finally, to cut off the survivors in the city from any hope, Titus ordered a wall to be built.
"Now the length of this wall was [nearly] forty furlongs. ... The whole was completed in three days; so that what would naturally have required some months was done in so short an interval as is incredible."[3]
Each small unit of the Roman armies had a section to which they were assigned, and the units competed with each other for speed. The wall was completed within three days.
After that, Jerusalem's desolation was just a matter of time. "Desolation" is Greek eremosis, "state of being made uninhabitable, devastation, destruction, depopulation."[4]
Flee Jerusalem (21:21)
This encircling of Jerusalem was to be a sign to Jesus' followers:
"Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city." (21:21)
As a matter of historical fact, the Christians who had lived in Jerusalem fled as early as 66 AD. Third century church historian Eusebius writes, "The people of the church in Jerusalem had been commanded by a revelation given to approved men there before the war, to leave the city and to dwell in a certain town of Perea called Pella."[5] As a result of Jesus' teaching and a contemporary revelation, the Christian community was prepared to leave the city and was preserved.
Punishment and Great Distress (21:22-24a)
But for the Jews who remained in the city, the siege and fall of Jerusalem was horrific.
"For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations." (21:22-24a)
The word translated "punishment" (NIV) or "vengeance" (KJV) is Greek ekdikesis. It carries the idea of "meeting out of justice, giving of justice" as well as "penalty inflicted on wrongdoers, punishment."[6] All that Jesus predicted here took place with terrible destruction and loss of life.
Jerusalem Trampled until the Times of the Gentiles Are Fulfilled (21:24b)
Now Jesus uses a curious phrase -- the Times of the Gentiles":
"Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled." (21:24b)
What is the Times of the Gentiles? Apparently, this is a period that God has appointed or allowed Gentiles to possess Jerusalem. The phrase "trampled on" (NIV) or "trodden down" (KJV) is Greek pateo, " 'to tread heavily with feet with implication of destructive intent, trample, tread upon,' of the undisciplined swarming of a victorious army through a conquered city. Its heedlessness, which acknowledges no limits, causes pateo to take on the sense 'mistreat, abuse.' "[7] The term "Gentiles" here and elsewhere is Greek ethnos. Its basic meaning is "a body of persons united by kinship, culture, and common traditions, nation, people." Our English word "ethnic" comes from this. But usually in a Jewish culture, the word refers to non-Jews, those who do not profess faith in the God of Israel, "the nations, gentiles, unbelievers."[8]
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| Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories [message #51715] |
Fri, 19 March 2010 11:36 |
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FAROUK
Be careful of this man. He is the the 'KING CONSPIRATOR.'
He sucked me in and now is laughing at me. Let me explain.
I asked advice on SAN. "Dont buy, it is like trying to catch a falling knife".
I thought that if he can nail my NATION, he will also nail ME!
SO I BOUGHT PLENTY!
THE REST IS HISTORY!
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| Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories [message #51736] |
Fri, 19 March 2010 14:41 |
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| tank wrote on Wed, 17 March 2010 17:36 | thanks farouk and hdb. no Hdb, from what ive read the way the Prophet is portraid by the mainstream west isnt accurate. how you explained those stories defnitly shed some light and I remember many stories in Old testament books where "bad" things were done by men that were either seen as holy men at that stage or later on. so the actions of men has to be put in context and i fully agree that no one can simply judge a religion or some ones view without actually knowing what it is they believe (stydying it).
I'm just going to type how i see certain things at this stage and i'm typing this post with all due respect , without copying from other sites or planning a draft etc, so please excuse me if i'm not writing with the accuracy of a professor
I'm not very knowledgeble on religions, except the little i know of my own belief system (God = Father, Jesus and Holy Spirit) and the bit i've studied re Islam.
Ive defnitly gained respect for Muslims over the years. I think most pail skin lighties (whether i'm descended from French, German or what ever mix) grow up thinking our version of Christianity is the only true Faith and way to God and that anyone else, even from a similar Christian branch of our faith is probably going to hell and is out to get us (because Satan inlfuances them).
Ive slowly over the years realised its not that clean cut. I'm not commenting on this thread to try and convince someone of anything, I'm using it to learn and think with other thinkers (many people dont really think anymore).
The main reason why i find Judahism and Islam hard to fully relate to is because the old and new testament together, i believe is God's Word as revealed through His Holy Spirit to Prophets and believers, and most of all through Jesus (who i believe was fully man and God while on earth). So my main focus and when i compare anything to my faith is the Lord Jesus and His message. His message summarised is Love, Hope, Humility and Grace.
The way I see it, just like it was practise in those times to slougther your best animal to make amence between man and man or man and God, Jesus was needed as the perfect offer for all mankind's sins. Up to that point normal believers couldnt speak to God and they couldnt be sure all their sins are forgiven, after Jesus's crucifiction (and His resurection 3 days later and thereafter acsended to Heaven) any believer that believed in Him could invite the Holy Spirit into his own, speak to God directly and confess / ask for forgivness and its forgiven.
I also believe Jesus was without sin.
Like i said my knowledge is limited, i'm young and porbably keeping myslef too busy with other things. So i'm slowly learning more, but i'm convinced about where i'm going when this body i'm in dies
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| Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories [message #51787] |
Tue, 23 March 2010 07:49 |
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tank
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Hi farouk. i think this is what you are refering to
I havent done a major amount of research on the topic but it seams its much more important then i first thought. I'm more then willing to get some more informed views in this and other topics. I'm just very pressed for time bewteen mid- march and early june (work, assigments and exams), thats why i didnt ask you to start a religion thread just yet 
here's a extract from i site which explains it quite well:
Greek Manuscripts Confirm Parakletos
If in any doubt as to how this word is written, it is simple to review any of the existing manuscripts (MSS). They are open for anyone to examine (including two of the oldest, the Codex Siniaticus and the Codex Alexandrinus, both in the British Museum, in London). There are more than 70 Greek manuscripts of the New Testament dating from before the time of Muhammad. Not one of them uses the word periklytos! All use the word parakletos. In fact, the word periklytos does not even appear in the Bible!
So who is the Parakletos?
A further problem for the Muslim exists once he studies the verses in question. John 14:16 says: "And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counsellor (parakletos) to be with you forever." Most Muslims quote only this verse, as well as John 16:7, and then shut the Bible (very over simplified view  ). What they fail to realise is that, as is the case in most pieces of literature, it is dangerous to read any verse or phrase outside its context. If the reader were to continue reading beyond chapter 14:16 and chapter 16:7, he would find that Jesus predicts in specific detail the arrival and identity of the parakletos.
According to the context of John chapters 14 and 16 Jesus said that the parakletos is not a human being:
14:16-- "to be with you forever" (A human being doesn't live forever.)
14:17-- "the spirit of truth" (A human being is distinct from spirit.)
14:17-- "The world ... neither sees him" (A human being is visible.)
14:17-- "nor knows him" (A human being would be known by others.)
14:17-- "he ... will be in you" (A human being cannot be within others.)
Jesus said the parakletos' specific mission was to point to him:
14:26--"whom the Father will send in my [Jesus'] name"
14:26--"will remind you of everything I [Jesus] have said to you"
16:08--"He will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin"
16:14--"He will bring glory to me [Jesus]"
Jesus said that the parakletos is a spirit:
14:17--"the Spirit of Truth"
14:26--"the Counsellor [parakletos], the Holy Spirit"
note: To whom does the phrase "another counsellor to be with you forever" (John 14:16) refer? See I John 2:1 where Jesus Christ is the other parakletos. He is also interceding for us.
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| Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories [message #51894] |
Thu, 25 March 2010 10:53 |
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What a sensational argument.
The Jews who were almost destroyed to extinction a few decades ago are really the megalomaniacs trying to subjugate the world because they are worried about a leader who publically states that he wishes Death to Israel.
This nutter of a leader happens at the same time to be building a shiny nuclear arsenal which has the entire world worried.
He has the Iranian nation chanting death to West and Israel before going on to deliver his lovely messages of philosophy and wisdom to any poor souls actually watching him.
So let's understand the articles premise: it's Israel's threat to America that has the US doing as the Jews say otherwise they'll get nuked right
Well
If America is so scared of Israel's nuclear capability, well then, they should surely be tap dancing to Russian political music as her assenal is so large that not even Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad could tap that
How simple do you wish your audience to be FARDDB. This is not Iran where you can sell the biggest lies in history to poor uneducated children on TV? Your are dealing with the free world my friend.
Enjoy the smell of some wake up salts.
America has always baked Israel because they know full well the problem Israel faces. Why, because they and the world understand the possibly that one day they would be facing the same problems that Israel has themselves. Guess what? Seems like that time has come.
If Jews are what the article tries to say we are, why haven't the 100's of nuclear bombs been fired already?
What wars do you see Israel fighting except with your lovely friends on her borders.
How about who you guys are fighting with?
You're too easy Cuzzin. Have a cup of tea with a dash of salt.
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| Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories [message #52062] |
Mon, 29 March 2010 18:54 |
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Iran is the main threat to peace in the world today, by the hatred exposed by the maniacle little man,....to the support given to terrorists!!!!!
WRONG......
America c/o Bush and his republicans are the main threat to peace in the world today for their continued support of the terriorist state of Israel!!
America should either bite the bullet and incorporate Israel into the union as the 51st state (and start collecting tax revenue from it!)...or cut the cord at last for ever!!
The fact that America and Israel have nuclear weapons means.... what?
That they are invulnerable? Superior? Better? Entitled?
Does it men their chidren deserve to live in splendor while other (Palestinian)children... dont?
If America together with its illegitimate baby succumb to its obsession with bombing Iran , we will all witness, in real time, a socio-financial meltdown of historic proportions....
Sorry you cant "bomb" our way out of this one...
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hdb
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