| SA coffee [message #43815] |
Fri, 02 October 2009 08:58  |
contango  Messages: 1322 Registered: October 2004 |
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| What's your philanthropic limit?[ 11 vote(s) ] |
| 1. | < R1,000 | 1 / 9% | | 2. | < R10,000 | 7 / 64% | | 3. | < R100,000 | 3 / 27% | | 4. | < R1m | 0 / 0% |
Most of the coffee we drink in SA is imported, either from Ethiopia, Uganda etc. However, there is now a coffee being grown in the old Transkei and called Transkei Gold. No, it doesn't contain what you might be thinking... It's been grown by an impressively sustainable rural community at the Centre for Applied Rural Technology near Port St. Johns... http://www.cartsa.co.za/ You can also check out their amazing video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBb7votvwbs
So what does this have to do with investing. Well, we're considering creating a wider 'community' of investors for the area. The coffee will prove to be a massive revenue earner down the line and the social investors could benefit from this in time. People could also benefit hugely by visiting the centre as paying volunteers for an education in rural sustainability and an investment in themselves. These skills are probably something we're all going to need if (when) the next financial crises happens and takes down the way of (unnatural) life we've grown accustomed to.
What I'd like to gauge here is how much would you as an example of a 'socially conscious' investor / philanthropist be prepared to invest in a venture such as this, assuming the returns weren't gauranteed but could be potentially quite good in terms of coffee and food revenues etc.
Disclaimer:
This does not constitute guidance or a transaction proposal. You should not place any reliance on it when entering into transactions.
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| Re: SA coffee [message #43831] |
Fri, 02 October 2009 10:51   |
contango  Messages: 1322 Registered: October 2004 |
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Yes, it's only hypothetical. I'm not soliciting for funds here... 
Charity and social investing are often intertwined these days. For instance we have Howard Buffet (Warren's son) as a potential 'investor' but he is really more interested in developing sustainable rural solutions. As most investments (equities, savings, bonds etc) will provide flat or negligible returns over the next couple of years I predict that many more people will seek out a more sustainable and rewarding lifestyle.
Let me throw in a bit about Charity from the 1st degree of Freemasonry:
"...Charity. I need not here dilate on its excellences: no doubt it has often been felt and practiced by you. Suffice it to say, it has the approbation of Heaven and Earth, and like its sister, Mercy, blesses him who gives as well as him who receives. In a society so widely extended as Freemasonry, the branches of which are spread over the four quarters of the globe, it cannot be denied that we have many members of rank and opulence; neither can it be concealed that among the thousands who range under its banners, there are some who, perhaps from circumstances of unavoidable calamity and misfortune, are reduced to the lowest ebb of poverty and distress. On their behalf it is our usual custom to awaken the feelings of every new-made Brother by such a claim on his charity as his circumstances in life may fairly warrant..."
[Updated on: Fri, 02 October 2009 10:54] Disclaimer:
This does not constitute guidance or a transaction proposal. You should not place any reliance on it when entering into transactions.
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| Re: SA coffee [message #43843] |
Fri, 02 October 2009 12:32   |
joshua Messages: 668 Registered: June 2009 Location: By the SEA |
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Sounds good, BUT if it is handled like years ago in Dimbaza where investors came in, and years later there was so many hassles with the local community, that factories stood empty and investors lost millions. When there is nothing, and somone comes with a business plan, that will improve the living conditions of the local population, everyone is for it. Once the locals see that the business is growing they start, with their demands. Thats when you have strikes, and violent demonstrations of burning, looting and destroying property. Ask the foreigners, who were there, from the East if they will come back to AFRICA.
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| Re: SA coffee [message #43854] |
Fri, 02 October 2009 14:29   |
joshua Messages: 668 Registered: June 2009 Location: By the SEA |
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| vic wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 13:22 | | joshua wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 20:32 | Once the locals see that the business is growing they start, with their demands. Thats when you have strikes, and violent demonstrations of burning, looting and destroying property. Ask the foreigners, who were there, from the East if they will come back to AFRICA.
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That's exactly what happened in one of the economic development projects I'm talking about. Minus the violent demonstrations. Another one I put money into and where I was actively involved as a Board member had a government minister, who shall remain nameless, try close it down because we refused to allow him to use the project as a platform to further his own political ambitions.
There's a fine line one walks when running projects like this in SA.
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Vic. I believe this is what the problem is at SIMMERS, and many others, because of BEE. You have given blood, sweat and tears, over 35 years and now because of new laws you are forced to share. I would rather close my business, if I am not a listed company.
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| Re: SA coffee [message #43888] |
Sun, 04 October 2009 09:16  |
piranha  Messages: 382 Registered: January 2009 |
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I agree.Not one cent either.
Piranha.
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