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SA coffee [message #43815] Fri, 02 October 2009 08:58 Go to next message
contango  South Africa
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What's your philanthropic limit?[ 11 vote(s) ]
1.< R1,000 1 / 9%
2.< R10,000 7 / 64%
3.< R100,000 3 / 27%
4.< R1m 0 / 0%

Most of the coffee we drink in SA is imported, either from Ethiopia, Uganda etc. However, there is now a coffee being grown in the old Transkei and called Transkei Gold. No, it doesn't contain what you might be thinking... It's been grown by an impressively sustainable rural community at the Centre for Applied Rural Technology near Port St. Johns... http://www.cartsa.co.za/ You can also check out their amazing video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBb7votvwbs

So what does this have to do with investing. Well, we're considering creating a wider 'community' of investors for the area. The coffee will prove to be a massive revenue earner down the line and the social investors could benefit from this in time. People could also benefit hugely by visiting the centre as paying volunteers for an education in rural sustainability and an investment in themselves. These skills are probably something we're all going to need if (when) the next financial crises happens and takes down the way of (unnatural) life we've grown accustomed to.

What I'd like to gauge here is how much would you as an example of a 'socially conscious' investor / philanthropist be prepared to invest in a venture such as this, assuming the returns weren't gauranteed but could be potentially quite good in terms of coffee and food revenues etc.


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Re: SA coffee [message #43828] Fri, 02 October 2009 10:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mass09  South Africa
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Hypothetically I would say Option Nr.2 .

'CART aims to give the local population the skills and technology to allow them to live self-sustainably without the need to seek work outside of their own villages, ultimately allowing the migrants to return to their homelands.'

It would help the community and I could score some good coffee Shocked


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Re: SA coffee [message #43830] Fri, 02 October 2009 10:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tank  South Africa
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cant vote Confused good idea.. option 2 at this stage, 3 in a few years time
Re: SA coffee [message #43831] Fri, 02 October 2009 10:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
contango  South Africa
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Yes, it's only hypothetical. I'm not soliciting for funds here... Smile

Charity and social investing are often intertwined these days. For instance we have Howard Buffet (Warren's son) as a potential 'investor' but he is really more interested in developing sustainable rural solutions. As most investments (equities, savings, bonds etc) will provide flat or negligible returns over the next couple of years I predict that many more people will seek out a more sustainable and rewarding lifestyle.

Let me throw in a bit about Charity from the 1st degree of Freemasonry:
"...Charity. I need not here dilate on its excellences: no doubt it has often been felt and practiced by you. Suffice it to say, it has the approbation of Heaven and Earth, and like its sister, Mercy, blesses him who gives as well as him who receives. In a society so widely extended as Freemasonry, the branches of which are spread over the four quarters of the globe, it cannot be denied that we have many members of rank and opulence; neither can it be concealed that among the thousands who range under its banners, there are some who, perhaps from circumstances of unavoidable calamity and misfortune, are reduced to the lowest ebb of poverty and distress. On their behalf it is our usual custom to awaken the feelings of every new-made Brother by such a claim on his charity as his circumstances in life may fairly warrant..."

[Updated on: Fri, 02 October 2009 10:54]


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Re: SA coffee [message #43834] Fri, 02 October 2009 11:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
vic  Australia
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If I like what I see in the business plan and a site visit, and the right governance structures are in place, and there are no politicians or other government officials on the Board, I'd be willing to go with option 3, and maybe 4 if it proved itself. I've burnt my fingers with these types of social entrepreneurial activities in SA in the past, but always willing to look at new ventures. Especially if it involves coffee.
Re: SA coffee [message #43843] Fri, 02 October 2009 12:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joshua
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Sounds good, BUT if it is handled like years ago in Dimbaza where investors came in, and years later there was so many hassles with the local community, that factories stood empty and investors lost millions. When there is nothing, and somone comes with a business plan, that will improve the living conditions of the local population, everyone is for it. Once the locals see that the business is growing they start, with their demands. Thats when you have strikes, and violent demonstrations of burning, looting and destroying property. Ask the foreigners, who were there, from the East if they will come back to AFRICA.
Re: SA coffee [message #43846] Fri, 02 October 2009 12:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Cut Loss  South Africa
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Coffee only grows in tropical areas below 300meter to sea level. Angola an upwards. Port St Johns is not even sub tropical. Very little success with coffee in Mpmulanga and Tzaneen because of not fully tropical climate.
The legendary coffee bay trees only grew for a while and became a legend.
Re: SA coffee [message #43850] Fri, 02 October 2009 13:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
vic  Australia
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joshua wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 20:32
Once the locals see that the business is growing they start, with their demands. Thats when you have strikes, and violent demonstrations of burning, looting and destroying property. Ask the foreigners, who were there, from the East if they will come back to AFRICA.


That's exactly what happened in one of the economic development projects I'm talking about. Minus the violent demonstrations. Another one I put money into and where I was actively involved as a Board member had a government minister, who shall remain nameless, try close it down because we refused to allow him to use the project as a platform to further his own political ambitions.

There's a fine line one walks when running projects like this in SA.
Re: SA coffee [message #43854] Fri, 02 October 2009 14:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joshua
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vic wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 13:22
joshua wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 20:32
Once the locals see that the business is growing they start, with their demands. Thats when you have strikes, and violent demonstrations of burning, looting and destroying property. Ask the foreigners, who were there, from the East if they will come back to AFRICA.


That's exactly what happened in one of the economic development projects I'm talking about. Minus the violent demonstrations. Another one I put money into and where I was actively involved as a Board member had a government minister, who shall remain nameless, try close it down because we refused to allow him to use the project as a platform to further his own political ambitions.

There's a fine line one walks when running projects like this in SA.

Vic. I believe this is what the problem is at SIMMERS, and many others, because of BEE. You have given blood, sweat and tears, over 35 years and now because of new laws you are forced to share. I would rather close my business, if I am not a listed company. Sad Sad
Re: SA coffee [message #43858] Fri, 02 October 2009 14:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tank  South Africa
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Cut Loss wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 12:56
Coffee only grows in tropical areas below 300meter to sea level. Angola an upwards. Port St Johns is not even sub tropical. Very little success with coffee in Mpmulanga and Tzaneen because of not fully tropical climate.
The legendary coffee bay trees only grew for a while and became a legend.


Maybe they should start plantation in Zululand then. Pretty close to tropical, rains most of the year etc.. not much space though
Re: SA coffee [message #43876] Fri, 02 October 2009 19:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
toocleverbyhalf  South Africa
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Not one cent, thanks.


In life, hope is a good and positive thing. In trading, hope is a virus that infects and destroys! - J Magliolo
Re: SA coffee [message #43888] Sun, 04 October 2009 09:16 Go to previous message
piranha  South Africa
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I agree.Not one cent either.
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