| Market Update [message #48921] |
Fri, 05 February 2010 12:50  |
contango  Messages: 1322 Registered: October 2004 |
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I'll use this thread to post my views and trade signals from time to time so as not to interfere with others.
OK, so things are now getting interesting in the markets. Fundamentally the US and Asian economies are recovering but at a much slower pace than the speculators had hoped for. Thus we're seeing a correction which is now in the process of feeding on itself i.e. momentum is starting to turn the trend bearish now and this could lead to further technical-based falls and ultimately to a loss of confidence in the economy, increased unemployment etc. OF course, if we do see a big fall this time, governments are not going to step in like last time as they've run out of QE powder. Rates can't go any lower and the US and UK are actually trying to remove QE which is damaging market sentiment further. All in all, it could turn out to be a doomsday scenario in which case I head for my place in the old Transkei, make sure the solar generators and water supplies are running, load the guns and bolt the gate!
That probably won't happen so what are the charts saying for those who still have faith in the markets?
First the SP500 weekly:
Momentum went bearish the week of 22-Jan-10 but this is counter-trend so should only last for about 4-5 bars i.e. up to 5 weeks. However, if the down move is sharp enough it will turn trend bearish and then it becomes a whole new ball game.

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| Re: Market Update [message #48927] |
Fri, 05 February 2010 13:37   |
'Woes'  Messages: 368 Registered: August 2009 Location: Kaap Stad |
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Contango, you say in your first post "Momentum went bearish the week of 22-Jan-10 but this is counter-trend so should only last for about 4-5 bars i.e. up to 5 weeks."
Which measure (period/length) do you use for momentum?
What are you using to measure your trend and on what basis do you draw the 4-5 bar conclusion?
Also, from what you said on the daily chart is it correct to assume you will only short once the trend(not price?) follows the decline in momentum? Or only once momentum becomes negative?
'Don't tell me what to buy, tell me WHEN to buy it.'
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| Re: Market Update [message #48929] |
Fri, 05 February 2010 13:56   |
contango  Messages: 1322 Registered: October 2004 |
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Hi Woes, for me trend is the 49 day Moving Average i.e. the red line that runs inbetween the grey bollinger bands. Clearly on a weekly and daily chart the trend can be positive in one and negative on another. So on a weekly the trend is still up but on the daily it's down. Markets are thus confused and what we're seeing now is a fight between the longer term bulls and the short term bear speculators.
For momentum I use a 3 vs 11 MACD and then apply a 21 day moving average to that. This gives me the red or grey areas in the bottom graphs. The reason I refer to a 4-5 bar reversal in a counter-trend move is similar to Arshad's reversal back to the long term moving average. Once price hits the moving average (centre of bollingers) then it typically resumes the direction of the prevailing trend.
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This does not constitute guidance or a transaction proposal. You should not place any reliance on it when entering into transactions.
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| Re: Market Update [message #48931] |
Fri, 05 February 2010 14:05   |
'Woes'  Messages: 368 Registered: August 2009 Location: Kaap Stad |
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Thanks C
Answer to my last question?
'Don't tell me what to buy, tell me WHEN to buy it.'
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| Re: Market Update [message #48932] |
Fri, 05 February 2010 14:07   |
farouk  Messages: 958 Registered: August 2009 |
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| contango wrote on Fri, 05 February 2010 12:50 | I'll use this thread to post my views and trade signals from time to time so as not to interfere with others.
OK, so things are now getting interesting in the markets. Fundamentally the US and Asian economies are recovering but at a much slower pace than the speculators had hoped for. Thus we're seeing a correction which is now in the process of feeding on itself i.e. momentum is starting to turn the trend bearish now and this could lead to further technical-based falls and ultimately to a loss of confidence in the economy, increased unemployment etc. OF course, if we do see a big fall this time, governments are not going to step in like last time as they've run out of QE powder. Rates can't go any lower and the US and UK are actually trying to remove QE which is damaging market sentiment further. All in all, it could turn out to be a doomsday scenario in which case I head for my place in the old Transkei, make sure the solar generators and water supplies are running, load the guns and bolt the gate!
That probably won't happen so what are the charts saying for those who still have faith in the markets?
First the SP500 weekly:
Momentum went bearish the week of 22-Jan-10 but this is counter-trend so should only last for about 4-5 bars i.e. up to 5 weeks. However, if the down move is sharp enough it will turn trend bearish and then it becomes a whole new ball game.

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Those BB are starting to pinch.That chart is confirming that BB will tighten before a major breakout.No guessing which direction it will take.
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| Re: Market Update [message #48934] |
Fri, 05 February 2010 14:12   |
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Farouk
Would that be up, up, up?
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| Re: Market Update [message #48939] |
Fri, 05 February 2010 17:08   |
contango  Messages: 1322 Registered: October 2004 |
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Woes, I like to be hedged in a cross-current situation i.e. where trend is bullish, momentum is bearish. I will short outright depending on which time scale I'm trading. If trading medium term for me (i.e. 3 - 4 months entry to exit) I will short when the weekly chart confirms trend is bearish. If short term (i.e week to week trades) I will short when the daily chart confirms a bearish trend. My option trade as described is a medium term trade for me.
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This does not constitute guidance or a transaction proposal. You should not place any reliance on it when entering into transactions.
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| Re: Market Update [message #48952] |
Fri, 05 February 2010 22:49   |
Bullhunter  Messages: 428 Registered: September 2009 Location: Northcliff |
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Eish! And I thought Ashad was complicated.
Opportunities are made up easier than losses.
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| Re: Market Update [message #49003] |
Mon, 08 February 2010 09:04   |
contango  Messages: 1322 Registered: October 2004 |
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Hi Ian, you're correct that I'm trying to be delta neutral i.e. I'm long the call option so in order to square off the positive delta that gives me I have to short (sell) the futures. Now when the market gaps the volatility goes up hence the call option value goes up. But this is negated by the downward price move so on balance the call option loses money when price goes down. However, my short position in the futures more than makes up for this. At a certain point I look to take profits on some of the shorts and buy some more call options as the price drops. Basically I'm getting longer and longer as the market drops but I'm averaging my options purchase price by using the profits from the shorts on the futures. The whole point is that I think the market will bounce again fairly soon and definately before the May expiry on my options.
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This does not constitute guidance or a transaction proposal. You should not place any reliance on it when entering into transactions.
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| Re: Market Update [message #49006] |
Mon, 08 February 2010 10:49   |
contango  Messages: 1322 Registered: October 2004 |
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| Bullhunter wrote on Fri, 05 February 2010 22:49 | Eish! And I thought Ashad was complicated.
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Arshad is punting a trading system. My comments above relate to a specific trade idea in this particular instance. I don't always use this particular trade setup.
I think in general that my trading system is fairly simple but it doesn't have specific set-up rules. It generally uses trend and momentum and offers the best buy or sell signals when trend and momentum start moving in the same direction. These buy or sell signals become even better when the daily, weekly and monthly charts all confirm the same direction.
Disclaimer:
This does not constitute guidance or a transaction proposal. You should not place any reliance on it when entering into transactions.
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| Re: Market Update [message #49103] |
Tue, 09 February 2010 16:17   |
contango  Messages: 1322 Registered: October 2004 |
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Tomorrow could fire a crosscurrent buy signal for the Top40 assuming we carry on in bullish mode here. However, this would be a crosscurrent signal as the upwards momentum would be counter to trend which has now turned down. Therefore a better trade might be to look for a shorting opportunity once price reaches the mid-point of the bollinger bands / red trend line. So potential long from tomorrow for a few days with a tight stop loss, then potentially a good shorting opportunity.

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[Updated on: Tue, 09 February 2010 16:18] Disclaimer:
This does not constitute guidance or a transaction proposal. You should not place any reliance on it when entering into transactions.
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| Re: Market Update [message #49110] |
Tue, 09 February 2010 16:42   |
CFD Trader Messages: 570 Registered: January 2010 Location: Pretoria,ZA |
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BOOM there the S&P 500 rocket goes !!
Well that trend & momentum was verry hard to predict hey, futures kept on accumulating through the afternoon .. so I am off to the Golfcourse now, anybody joining..? my Long can lie there for a few days..
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