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Market Update [message #48921] Fri, 05 February 2010 12:50 Go to next message
contango  South Africa
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I'll use this thread to post my views and trade signals from time to time so as not to interfere with others.

OK, so things are now getting interesting in the markets. Fundamentally the US and Asian economies are recovering but at a much slower pace than the speculators had hoped for. Thus we're seeing a correction which is now in the process of feeding on itself i.e. momentum is starting to turn the trend bearish now and this could lead to further technical-based falls and ultimately to a loss of confidence in the economy, increased unemployment etc. OF course, if we do see a big fall this time, governments are not going to step in like last time as they've run out of QE powder. Rates can't go any lower and the US and UK are actually trying to remove QE which is damaging market sentiment further. All in all, it could turn out to be a doomsday scenario in which case I head for my place in the old Transkei, make sure the solar generators and water supplies are running, load the guns and bolt the gate!

That probably won't happen so what are the charts saying for those who still have faith in the markets?

First the SP500 weekly:
Momentum went bearish the week of 22-Jan-10 but this is counter-trend so should only last for about 4-5 bars i.e. up to 5 weeks. However, if the down move is sharp enough it will turn trend bearish and then it becomes a whole new ball game.

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Re: Market Update [message #48924] Fri, 05 February 2010 13:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
contango  South Africa
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Moving to a daily chart....

Here trend does appear to be turning bearish which should give us serious room to think. Medium term traders should have exited all longs the week of 22-Jan (considering both weekly and daily momentum went into the red). But since the move was counter trend there was no compelling reason to short the market then. Yesterday served to break the bounce which needed to continue up to keep the up trend intact. It didn't go up and now trend is looking bearish. So in this case, shorts are justified but current levels are not attractive for new shorts.

However, I never underestimate the power of the equities market to suprise to the upside. I also know that volatility goes up with these big moves. So I am long a couple of May-10 call options i.e. have bought vols. But I have covered the delta on these to about 120% i.e. on a net basis I make money when the market gaps down. The idea is to lock in profits on the shorts whilst averaging down my option cost. At some point this market will bounce and the options will gap up massively as vols are so well bid.

Basically we are in for an exceptionally volatile period so you want to be long gamma (volatility)!

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Re: Market Update [message #48926] Fri, 05 February 2010 13:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tank  South Africa
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thanks for sharing contango Smile keep those nice charts coming
Re: Market Update [message #48927] Fri, 05 February 2010 13:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
'Woes'  South Africa
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Contango, you say in your first post "Momentum went bearish the week of 22-Jan-10 but this is counter-trend so should only last for about 4-5 bars i.e. up to 5 weeks."

Which measure (period/length) do you use for momentum?

What are you using to measure your trend and on what basis do you draw the 4-5 bar conclusion?

Also, from what you said on the daily chart is it correct to assume you will only short once the trend(not price?) follows the decline in momentum? Or only once momentum becomes negative?


'Don't tell me what to buy, tell me WHEN to buy it.'
Re: Market Update [message #48929] Fri, 05 February 2010 13:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
contango  South Africa
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Hi Woes, for me trend is the 49 day Moving Average i.e. the red line that runs inbetween the grey bollinger bands. Clearly on a weekly and daily chart the trend can be positive in one and negative on another. So on a weekly the trend is still up but on the daily it's down. Markets are thus confused and what we're seeing now is a fight between the longer term bulls and the short term bear speculators.

For momentum I use a 3 vs 11 MACD and then apply a 21 day moving average to that. This gives me the red or grey areas in the bottom graphs. The reason I refer to a 4-5 bar reversal in a counter-trend move is similar to Arshad's reversal back to the long term moving average. Once price hits the moving average (centre of bollingers) then it typically resumes the direction of the prevailing trend.


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Re: Market Update [message #48931] Fri, 05 February 2010 14:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
'Woes'  South Africa
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Thanks C

Answer to my last question?


'Don't tell me what to buy, tell me WHEN to buy it.'
Re: Market Update [message #48932] Fri, 05 February 2010 14:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
farouk  South Africa
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Registered: August 2009
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contango wrote on Fri, 05 February 2010 12:50
I'll use this thread to post my views and trade signals from time to time so as not to interfere with others.

OK, so things are now getting interesting in the markets. Fundamentally the US and Asian economies are recovering but at a much slower pace than the speculators had hoped for. Thus we're seeing a correction which is now in the process of feeding on itself i.e. momentum is starting to turn the trend bearish now and this could lead to further technical-based falls and ultimately to a loss of confidence in the economy, increased unemployment etc. OF course, if we do see a big fall this time, governments are not going to step in like last time as they've run out of QE powder. Rates can't go any lower and the US and UK are actually trying to remove QE which is damaging market sentiment further. All in all, it could turn out to be a doomsday scenario in which case I head for my place in the old Transkei, make sure the solar generators and water supplies are running, load the guns and bolt the gate!

That probably won't happen so what are the charts saying for those who still have faith in the markets?

First the SP500 weekly:
Momentum went bearish the week of 22-Jan-10 but this is counter-trend so should only last for about 4-5 bars i.e. up to 5 weeks. However, if the down move is sharp enough it will turn trend bearish and then it becomes a whole new ball game.

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Those BB are starting to pinch.That chart is confirming that BB will tighten before a major breakout.No guessing which direction it will take.
Re: Market Update [message #48934] Fri, 05 February 2010 14:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tbone  South Africa
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Farouk

Would that be up, up, up?

T
Re: Market Update [message #48938] Fri, 05 February 2010 16:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
farouk  South Africa
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Market going to get klapped.Just a hunch from my charts.
Re: Market Update [message #48939] Fri, 05 February 2010 17:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
contango  South Africa
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Woes, I like to be hedged in a cross-current situation i.e. where trend is bullish, momentum is bearish. I will short outright depending on which time scale I'm trading. If trading medium term for me (i.e. 3 - 4 months entry to exit) I will short when the weekly chart confirms trend is bearish. If short term (i.e week to week trades) I will short when the daily chart confirms a bearish trend. My option trade as described is a medium term trade for me.


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Re: Market Update [message #48952] Fri, 05 February 2010 22:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bullhunter  South Africa
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Eish! And I thought Ashad was complicated.


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Re: Market Update [message #48965] Sat, 06 February 2010 16:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ian_944  United Kingdom
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Hi Contango,

Thanks for an interesting post! It caused me to do some reading, and I guess you would describe your strategy as a kind of delta neutral approach - the jargon would seem to be a strip straddle?

Looking at your trading strategy you outlined, I wondered if you would mind explaining it a little more as there are two ideas which aren't all that clear to me?

Firstly, assuming the market behaves as you expect and gaps down, do I understand correctly that you will sell a portion of your short position and use to to buy the (now cheaper) call options?

Secondly, in this strategy how will you handle a steady move upwards in the market? For example, say the market decides it has found a bottom and moves up for an uncomfortably long time? Presumably you will be bleeding slowly? Do you just close the entire position at some point? Or switch it around by closing out some of the calls and increasing your shorts?

Appreciate any insights you have!
Ian

Re: Market Update [message #48967] Sat, 06 February 2010 17:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ian_944  United Kingdom
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As I continue reading I start to realize that my questions might not actually be sensible given that you are trading options. I was trying to map what you had done onto the TOP warrants, but I think now that you can't replicate what you've done with options with warrants, as you can't short a call warrant?

Ian
Re: Market Update [message #49003] Mon, 08 February 2010 09:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
contango  South Africa
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Hi Ian, you're correct that I'm trying to be delta neutral i.e. I'm long the call option so in order to square off the positive delta that gives me I have to short (sell) the futures. Now when the market gaps the volatility goes up hence the call option value goes up. But this is negated by the downward price move so on balance the call option loses money when price goes down. However, my short position in the futures more than makes up for this. At a certain point I look to take profits on some of the shorts and buy some more call options as the price drops. Basically I'm getting longer and longer as the market drops but I'm averaging my options purchase price by using the profits from the shorts on the futures. The whole point is that I think the market will bounce again fairly soon and definately before the May expiry on my options.


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Re: Market Update [message #49006] Mon, 08 February 2010 10:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
contango  South Africa
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Bullhunter wrote on Fri, 05 February 2010 22:49
Eish! And I thought Ashad was complicated.


Arshad is punting a trading system. My comments above relate to a specific trade idea in this particular instance. I don't always use this particular trade setup.

I think in general that my trading system is fairly simple but it doesn't have specific set-up rules. It generally uses trend and momentum and offers the best buy or sell signals when trend and momentum start moving in the same direction. These buy or sell signals become even better when the daily, weekly and monthly charts all confirm the same direction.


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Re: Market Update [message #49103] Tue, 09 February 2010 16:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
contango  South Africa
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Tomorrow could fire a crosscurrent buy signal for the Top40 assuming we carry on in bullish mode here. However, this would be a crosscurrent signal as the upwards momentum would be counter to trend which has now turned down. Therefore a better trade might be to look for a shorting opportunity once price reaches the mid-point of the bollinger bands / red trend line. So potential long from tomorrow for a few days with a tight stop loss, then potentially a good shorting opportunity.

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Re: Market Update [message #49109] Tue, 09 February 2010 16:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CFD Trader
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I agree Contango..and then they enter into useless arguments with other traders over small technicalities etc.. Smile
(It's like they are ego vouching online)

Trend and momentum analysis and other market signals at once is the best way to see a trade and exit it also..

I would actually like to know,HOW many of the commenting traders ARE ACTIVELY trading in the current market and what their Profits & return on Investments are for the last say 18mths

Come guys not all at once Shocked Shocked

BTW I know the Head of SBank ost and GT247 in person..so maybe im trying to hit a ball futher than my last 330m's ..lol and only every 3rd or make it 5th time.. he he

Btw I do it 95% of the time (was just sarcastic)
Re: Market Update [message #49110] Tue, 09 February 2010 16:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CFD Trader
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BOOM there the S&P 500 rocket goes !!
Well that trend & momentum was verry hard to predict hey, futures kept on accumulating through the afternoon .. so I am off to the Golfcourse now, anybody joining..? my Long can lie there for a few days..
Re: Market Update [message #49115] Tue, 09 February 2010 18:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
EMGEE  South Africa
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I'm on annual leave, so I will be playing a lot of golf the next 3 weeks.. Laughing
Re: Market Update [message #49116] Tue, 09 February 2010 18:45 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
jaDEB  United Kingdom
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The market is recovering because the " " is starting on Friday......thanks %$%&


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