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#61 JK001

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Posted 27 September 2018 - 07:34 PM

It is difficult to conceptualize and I try and put different lenses on this article.

 

1) The minority shareholding of the 'staff' company did not want BLU in as it diluted their value, the p...d off and creates lots of negative publicity.

2) The members who got the bonuses actually saved CellC from the abyss. So, maybe they deserve a great bonus, for us ordinary people the bonus may seem excessive.  Maybe members of point 1 above should be thankful otherwise they had not even a job never mind a light at the end of the tunnel.

3) As a person adverse to regulating adults, I am contradicting my own values that says there should be regulation that prohibit bonuses for a loss making company.

 

my 10c.

 


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Posted 27 September 2018 - 09:49 AM

ROB ROSE: The nerve of Cell C executives Paying R219m to just three executives of Cell C, after the cellular operator narrowly avoided hitting the wall, seems a little rich
 
FINANCIAL MAIL, 27 SEPTEMBER 2018
 
There are some distinctly unhappy staff at Cell C’s swish headquarters in Midrand who are fuming over disturbingly lavish payments made to CEO Jose dos Santos and his comrades in the executive suite.

A series of letters have been flying around in recent weeks between "representatives of 391 Cell C employees" and the board of the country’s third-largest mobile phone operator, which claims to now have 16.3-million subscribers

What sparked the exchange was Cell C’s financials for the year to December 2017, which, interestingly for a company that claims it wants to list within two years, are not on its website. Those accounts show how payments to executives vaulted more than fourfold last year — from R50.9m to R219.2m — at a time when staff say the business is slashing expenses in every other corner.

It means that of the R1.49bn spent on all 2,272 employees last year, nearly 15% went to just three people — Dos Santos; chief strategy officer Robert Pasley; and Tyrone Soondarjee, who resigned as Cell C’s FD in May.

Now, it’s certainly clear that, financially, good things happened for Cell C last year. For the year to December, a "recapitalisation" by Blue Label Telecoms (which ended up as a 45% shareholder) and Net1 UEPS (which ended up with 15%) injected R7.5bn into the company, which allowed it to reduce its net debt from an impossible R18.9bn to a merely steep R5.9bn.

Its revenue grew 7% last year to R15.7bn and it made a R267m net loss, if you strip out the one-off gains it made from that recapitalisation. So, Cell C just managed to keep its head above water.

But what has irked staff too is that Cell C’s financials show that it had set aside R357m to be paid as a "success fee" to certain executives for the recapitalisation. It doesn’t say who gets this windfall specifically, other than describing them as "key executives who were integral" to the deal. The top brass — again.

What has irked staff too is that Cell C’s financials show it set aside R357m as a ‘success fee’ to certain executives

Zwelakhe Mankazana, a director of empowerment group Cellsaf, which owns 7.5% of Cell C, isn’t happy: "If you look at Cell C’s net proceeds of this recapitalisation of R4.1bn, it seems crazy to be paying a R357m ‘success fee’ to a group of executives who’re already remunerated just for doing their jobs. And this is above the R219m paid to two or three executives."

Mankazana says that as shareholders, Cellsaf "feels defrauded" by these lavish payments made from shareholders’ funds.

The 391 staff seem equally miffed.

On August 24, they wrote to Cell C’s chair, Kuben Pillay, saying they had been told that Cell C wasn’t able to pay full bonuses "due to tight budget and financial constraints". Yet, they said, immense sums were paid to executives, which "does not speak to fairness".

A few days later, Cell C’s human resources executive, Juliet Mhango, wrote to the staff, arguing that all staff benefited from various incentive schemes. On the "success fee", Mhango said the recapitalisation "was a necessary intervention to prevent the closure of the company and the loss of every job".

And she said even though Cell C didn’t hit its targets, the board agreed a "discretionary bonus" for the lowest-paid staff.

This didn’t impress the staff. They wrote back asking why Pillay had not responded, since it was the board that made the decision. Any response from the executives "compromises the legitimacy of your response as these individuals are at the centre of the contentious issues raised", they wrote.

They added that despite what was claimed, the discretionary bonuses were "made to a select few". They also asked for Cell C’s financial statements to confirm "that the company is indeed in dire straits".

On September 6 Pillay wrote back to the staff, encouraging them to lodge a formal grievance if they wanted to, but adding that "none of the payments" was paid in a "dishonest or unauthorised manner".

Ironically, the problem seems to be that Cell C’s communication with its own staff is abysmal. In fact, its communication with anyone is shoddy, it seems. When the FM asked specific questions about its payment practices, Cell C refused to answer. Instead it provided a bland "official comment" saying absolutely nothing new.

As a company 60% owned by JSE-listed companies, you’d think Cell C could be a bit more transparent. For a company talking boldly about listing on the JSE either next year or in 2020, its shoddy level of transparency suggests it’s nowhere near ready.


Edited by Bullhunter, 27 September 2018 - 09:50 AM.

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Posted 26 September 2018 - 06:51 PM

Someone bought 6.22 million shares at 2.45 pm @ R 5.36.


Thanks Polly I saw the edit button 'used' to add this comment - education is great!

Edited by JK001, 26 September 2018 - 06:52 PM.

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#64 JK001

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Posted 26 September 2018 - 06:49 PM

 

First you got to be logged in.
The i think only allows you 10 minutes from time you posted to edit.
If within 10 min , you will see edit button at bottom right of your post.
If you dont see it, means time expired..sucks a bit hay

 

Thanks Polly
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#65 Polly

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Posted 26 September 2018 - 06:31 PM

anyway - can anybody tell me how to edit a post - working with a MAC and cannot find an edit button - frustrating

 

First you got to be logged in.

The i think only allows you 10 minutes from time you posted to edit.

If within 10 min , you will see edit button at bottom right of your post.

If you dont see it, means time expired..sucks a bit hay


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Posted 26 September 2018 - 06:20 PM

anyway - can anybody tell me how to edit a post - working with a MAC and cannot find an edit button - frustrating


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Posted 26 September 2018 - 06:19 PM

never bought..merely converted cfd to underlying..Half the problem with these bros are gambling in cfds in own shares...Think already was a force sale a month ago...

Won;t surprise me - from what I read their mom had a hard time cause they always wanted to sell everything.


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Posted 26 September 2018 - 06:05 PM

and still taking a knock on this conversion...eish


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Posted 26 September 2018 - 06:04 PM

Between the joint CEOs and another director about R 70 million rand worth of shares on sept 7: See sens below:

 

NOTICE OF DEALINGS IN SECURITIES IN TERMS OF PARAGRAPHS 3.63 TO 3.66 OF THE
JSE LIMITED (JSE) LISTINGS REQUIREMENTS

Dealings in securities by directors of Blue Label.

In compliance with paragraph 3.63 – 3.66 of the JSE listing Requirements, the following
information, is disclosed:

Company: Blue Label Telecoms Limited
Director: Mr MS Levy
Class of securities: Ordinary shares
Date of transaction: 06 September 2018
Number of securities: 3 500 000
Price per security: R6.58
Total value: R23,030,000.00
Nature of transaction: On-market conversion of contracts for difference
Nature and extent of director’s interest: Direct beneficial
Clearance to deal: Obtained in advance in accordance with JSE Listings
Requirements

Company: Blue Label Telecoms Limited
Director: Mr BM Levy
Class of securities: Ordinary shares
Date of transaction: 06 September 2018
Number of securities: 3 500 000
Price per security: R6.58
Total value: R23,030,000.00
Nature of transaction: On-market conversion of contracts for difference
Nature and extent of director’s interest: Direct beneficial
Clearance to deal: Obtained in advance in accordance with JSE Listings
Requirements

Company: Blue Label Telecoms Limited
Director: Mr DA Suntup
Class of securities: Ordinary shares
Date of transaction: 06 September 2018
Number of securities: 3 700 000
Price per security: R6.58
Total value: R24,346,000.00
Nature of transaction: On-market conversion of contracts for difference
Nature and extent of director’s interest: Direct beneficial
Clearance to deal: Obtained in advance in accordance with JSE Listings
Requirements


The above conversion shall result in their underlying shares in Blue Label being transferred back to
them, with no impact or change in their shareholding in the company.
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never bought..merely converted cfd to underlying..Half the problem with these bros are gambling in cfds in own shares...Think already was a force sale a month ago...


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Posted 26 September 2018 - 06:04 PM

Seems like half people think the share screwed and other half not...i think itll rise..
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Posted 26 September 2018 - 05:59 PM

When did the brothers buy those shares? In last month?

Between the joint CEOs and another director about R 70 million rand worth of shares on sept 7: See sens below:

 

NOTICE OF DEALINGS IN SECURITIES IN TERMS OF PARAGRAPHS 3.63 TO 3.66 OF THE
JSE LIMITED (JSE) LISTINGS REQUIREMENTS

Dealings in securities by directors of Blue Label.

In compliance with paragraph 3.63 – 3.66 of the JSE listing Requirements, the following
information, is disclosed:

Company: Blue Label Telecoms Limited
Director: Mr MS Levy
Class of securities: Ordinary shares
Date of transaction: 06 September 2018
Number of securities: 3 500 000
Price per security: R6.58
Total value: R23,030,000.00
Nature of transaction: On-market conversion of contracts for difference
Nature and extent of director’s interest: Direct beneficial
Clearance to deal: Obtained in advance in accordance with JSE Listings
Requirements

Company: Blue Label Telecoms Limited
Director: Mr BM Levy
Class of securities: Ordinary shares
Date of transaction: 06 September 2018
Number of securities: 3 500 000
Price per security: R6.58
Total value: R23,030,000.00
Nature of transaction: On-market conversion of contracts for difference
Nature and extent of director’s interest: Direct beneficial
Clearance to deal: Obtained in advance in accordance with JSE Listings
Requirements

Company: Blue Label Telecoms Limited
Director: Mr DA Suntup
Class of securities: Ordinary shares
Date of transaction: 06 September 2018
Number of securities: 3 700 000
Price per security: R6.58
Total value: R24,346,000.00
Nature of transaction: On-market conversion of contracts for difference
Nature and extent of director’s interest: Direct beneficial
Clearance to deal: Obtained in advance in accordance with JSE Listings
Requirements


The above conversion shall result in their underlying shares in Blue Label being transferred back to
them, with no impact or change in their shareholding in the company.
Sandton

07 September 2018


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Posted 26 September 2018 - 12:41 PM

Thanks bullhunter..glad i bought my shares..Ill hold until rise..no rush
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Posted 26 September 2018 - 11:45 AM

Interview: Brett and Mark Levy on the future of Blue Label Telecoms

 

https://techcentral....07e4cf-17535649


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Posted 26 September 2018 - 08:21 AM

When did the brothers buy those shares? In last month?
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Posted 26 September 2018 - 08:04 AM

Nope, myself working a lot with the lending industry.  First priority for consumers and even more so in the next generation of wealth is buying and paying for their cellphones and airtime/data.  "you can take my car, house and everything else, but not my smartphone" - in fact a study by Accenture showed that next generation is willing to give up friends instead of smartphone.

 

By the way, the 2 brothers each bought R 23 million worth of BLU shares at over R6 a share.  What do they know that we don't? 

 

For a moment stop trying to compare MTN, Vodacom to CellC - disruptive is when you don't follow the minions.

 

potcast 4pm today:  

 

https://techcentral....telecoms/83966/

 

I heard a quote once that really sticks to me "Innovation is something that give people the access to the experience that only rich and clever people can do" - these guys are leveraging that. 

I doubt that. Check out this article. Smoke and mirrors.

 

https://mg.co.za/art...its-own-airtime


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Posted 25 September 2018 - 08:51 PM

It is utterly silly trying to ignore Telco trends at the moment, there is nothing disruptive about Cell C, they have posted one profit since exception, they are perpetually in survival mode. Secondly, please read this.

 

https://businesstech...ay-their-bills/

https://www.accentur...ents-ten-trends


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Posted 25 September 2018 - 08:42 PM

It is utterly silly trying to ignore Telco trends at the moment, there is nothing disruptive about Cell C, they have posted one profit since exception, they are perpetually in survival mode. Secondly, please read this.

 

https://businesstech...ay-their-bills/

you did not listen to the potcast as it is 58 minutes, i posted 23 minutes ago. So go uninformed and do what you believe.


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Posted 25 September 2018 - 08:26 PM

Nope, myself working a lot with the lending industry.  First priority for consumers and even more so in the next generation of wealth is buying and paying for their cellphones and airtime/data.  "you can take my car, house and everything else, but not my smartphone" - in fact a study by Accenture showed that next generation is willing to give up friends instead of smartphone.

 

By the way, the 2 brothers each bought R 23 million worth of BLU shares at over R6 a share.  What do they know that we don't? 

 

For a moment stop trying to compare MTN, Vodacom to CellC - disruptive is when you don't follow the minions.

 

potcast 4pm today:  

 

https://techcentral....telecoms/83966/

 

I heard a quote once that really sticks to me "Innovation is something that give people the access to the experience that only rich and clever people can do" - these guys are leveraging that. 

It is utterly silly trying to ignore Telco trends at the moment, there is nothing disruptive about Cell C, they have posted one profit since exception, they are perpetually in survival mode. Secondly, please read this.

 

https://businesstech...ay-their-bills/

 

 

Generally, South Africans will look towards expenses that are easy to cut out of their lifestyle and considered luxuries, such as take-outs, movies etc, Roets said.

“Thereafter they tend to evaluate items that run as debit orders that they are able to reduce, which includes cellphone and gym contracts and clubs they belong to.

“From there they would most likely look at revising various insurances to make their cover more affordable.”


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Posted 25 September 2018 - 07:59 PM

I still dont' understand why you rate a loss making Telco to defy current Telco share price trends with an upbeat valuation on it when profitable Telcos are in decline? Add to this is the fact that MTN and Telkom are in talks about a merger, meaning that Cell C would be in the wilderness and likely unsustainable and unprofitable should the competition commission allow this merger. 

 

The recession makes this worst because the first thing that consumers cut in times of recession are Mobile contracts and purchase less airtime, data etc. 

Nope, myself working a lot with the lending industry.  First priority for consumers and even more so in the next generation of wealth is buying and paying for their cellphones and airtime/data.  "you can take my car, house and everything else, but not my smartphone" - in fact a study by Accenture showed that next generation is willing to give up friends instead of smartphone.

 

By the way, the 2 brothers each bought R 23 million worth of BLU shares at over R6 a share.  What do they know that we don't? 

 

For a moment stop trying to compare MTN, Vodacom to CellC - disruptive is when you don't follow the minions.

 

potcast 4pm today:  

 

https://techcentral....telecoms/83966/

 

I heard a quote once that really sticks to me "Innovation is something that give people the access to the experience that only rich and clever people can do" - these guys are leveraging that. 


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Posted 25 September 2018 - 09:38 AM

Read earlier posts by me where I gave an explanation- see Cell C latest results.  If you agree loss reduced 33% then we are still on par.  If you agree loss was only R 600 million then we are still on par.  So you agree it has turned around, still not profitable but on the upside.  So worst case BLU has to write off 45% (BLU stake in CellC), then the loss for CellC in BLU is only R 270 million.   So for now imagine that CellC has now value.  That equates to BLU before the CellC deal.  BLU share price was then around R 20 a share.  Take 50% of for investor sentiment and you sit with R 10 a share.  From that period BLU itself has performed the next year right? So add back CellC when you are ready.  

 

Then just to ease yourself, go to " FIN24 BLU share price"  scroll down to ownership and see how many shares was bought by big funds and investors (100+ million) and how many was sold (just over a million).

I still dont' understand why you rate a loss making Telco to defy current Telco share price trends with an upbeat valuation on it when profitable Telcos are in decline? Add to this is the fact that MTN and Telkom are in talks about a merger, meaning that Cell C would be in the wilderness and likely unsustainable and unprofitable should the competition commission allow this merger. 

 

The recession makes this worst because the first thing that consumers cut in times of recession are Mobile contracts and purchase less airtime, data etc. 


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