Good evening from OZZ..
To that harvard drop out how accused me of lying , having an agenda blah blah...I asked you 2 questions on that Pyramid scheme thread , one last week and one a month ago..So much for answering it.
The only liars here are these so called " Gurus" who have only one object in mind...To mislead , to suck the innocent in here. MR Harvard dropout , you play with words people post but dont read between the lines..Tom may have said bankrupt and sure was wrong term...he may not be an accountant or English guru but try to understand his point..I did...All he meant is this company is financially technically insolvent , illuquid , in dire straights , assets exceeds liabilities , a goner.. Surely he is entitled to views , right or wrong..All you do is try to get technical without understanding the point. In fact the use of the word "WE" tells it all why you are here. I dont care 2 hoots of what you have to say about me. And i will repeat again. You not an investor. You a gambler.
You and Mr haha talk of posting facts. What is facts? Facts we all know. We dont want that regurgitated here especially from Haha who fills the thread with nonsensical facts. Facts is embedded in price. Thats why the pyramid scheme was sold off to R1.80. The purpose of any forum is to post forward looking opinions and not past "facts".. and you talk of facts.How can the last historical figures be facts? This is ullls main problem.Fact for 2016/2017 but certainly not fact for 2018/2019. A lot has changed since the last financials and you can say fact only when the lastest afs comes out. So dont go try impressing with the facts from the last afs as you think it is the be all.. With the scope of fraud that happened , those figures actually mean f@ckall .
How can the past historical figures being used in your Pyramid scheme model as facts can ever ever ever ever ever ever be relied upon? Your typical E9.4b debt is the typical example and their are many more in your posts. It obviously takes many Charlatans , many liars , many misinformed people , many Trolls , many people with inferiority complexes, many dangerous liars , many people with agendas , many fools , many haters , many fake posters , many people sprouting the usual rubbish without quantifying anything , many miserable people , many conspiracy theorists, many Ig tricksters, many hate speech posters,many arrogant posters, many people who want the pyramid scheme to fail and be shut down , many people who have hatred and bias on the pyramid scheme , many socialist people pro PPF , many people making ludicrous claims against the Pyramid scheme, many people whi have an axe to grind with the Pyramid scheme despite what they tell you, many people who are all smoke and mirrors , many people who are vague and unclear in thier comments , many people who never answer questions directly, many people who are slippery than an eel in an oil drum , many people who categorically cannot say what will happen to the Pyramid scheme, many people who cannot provide a shrew of evidence on their views, many people who are all hat and no cattle , but then hay who am i to say you on the completely wrong track and are purely gambling on this pyramid scheme. Oh yes...Price is price...all your "false" historical data is embedded in price. and thats the reason you should pay some heed as to why price is below R2.00 and not R5.00 or R10.00 or whatever price you suggesting. So you can write all what you want about me , at the end of the day Mr Market is way ahead of your false fact calculations, models, harvard and Guru way of thinking!!!!!!!!!!
You called me a liar...Ok let me speak the lies which make make you and the so called other Gurus all excited thump your chest.....Im invested 5 million shares on short side in this Pyramid scheme at close to ath R85.00 . Im now shaking in my boots as Pyramid scheme management is so good that they selling liquid assets to invest in better existing businesses. My short in big trouble. So my agenda is to make sure no one goes long. Also this is accounting errors where MJ came in middle on night to amend the accounts on PC so we need to blame the auditors. Sheex now im in real touble with my shorts as the Pyramid scheme will recover from Deloittes. MJ did nothign wrong and will walk a free man.. This share going to go back to ath. And there my zillions get smoked into thin air.
What do i do know...Well better post in Pyramid scheme thread to mislead okes not to buy but sell to take price further down. Happy now or feeling more miserable??? Or is the reverse true on the gurus investing here and pumping the pyramid scheme??
PS the Gurus have lots to lose i have nothing to gain...
To the other members ,think guys think....
1. Gurus only post on this share and nothing else
2. Have they shown their entries? ( probably too embarrassed )
3. Every sens posted by the Pyramid scheme , be it negative has been interpreted as positive by the Gurus.
Gurus lets make a deal....
If you stop spreading lies and insults about me , i promise i wont spread the truth that i have being doing about youll.....Go figure that!!!
@ Mr haha said something like this.... i own shares in the Pyramid scheme and wont allow anyone to talk bad about management . What tripe... I see your responsibilities towards her cos you married to her forever !!! Shes not the real deal though... All those models you using have historical data is similar to her old pics. Shes changed a lot since..for the worse!!!!!
Hilarious has the thread become....
OH yeah juts saw the Gurus last past now.....Wow......Dots connecting up perfectly...
Ok i admit im a liar...I said you a Guru , an investor but a gambler... I got it totally wrong... Honest lie though...Now i say u not even a gambler , investor or a Guru.... none of those
You are part of the Mafia , a gangster a fraud....... newbies are all asleep here..Only Lionel has picked this up...
and another so called Guru in thsi forum part of the mob
1. Haha joined this forum using an alias name ( as per Lionel)...Only share he posts on is the Pyramid scheme..Attacked me a number of times for negative comments on the PS..( Pyramid scheme)
2. havng failed to shut me off , another member of the gang joins in... Sweet talks me on his first post addressed to me...Go check it out.. Realizes he cant win me over...Insults and name calling starts.
3. With that failing , he then goes on a character attack ( why i dont invest in pension funds , medical aid etc)
4. Gets worse with every post he makes and then says im a liar, dangerous liar...
5. This is exactly how the mob works.. " This is a classic bait and switch or misdirection tactic that is used extensively by those who wish to misinform. It was used by the Nazis and many illegitimate "authorities". and still being used by the Jews There is nothing like having your enemies lose credibility." See how this tactic was used...Mirror reflection again..
6. Like mr haha, he too only posts on the Steinhoff thread...check the complements they give to one another.
7. Mr haha....i take offence to anyone criticizing or running down management...says a lot of these gangsters hay..
8. Ganagsters wanted to me to post something private to his email address??? This is how the Mafia operate...They want all info about u..
9. Was it a coincidence about 10 days ago i get a PM from the 3rd gangster? I dont think he is related to these 2 but u never know.. I dont answer Pms...deleted it immediately.. Thats why i say coincidence or not?
10. When anyone talks of poor existing or corrupt management , see how defensive they get..
11. Whats next for the mafia/gangsters? they insulted , called you a liar , attacked your character...and when all faisl they come for you and your family..
Lionel my advise to you is stand off....This is some serious matter....I said gambler but its more the owner of the casinos operating here...House never losses..When they see u winning , free drinks , free woman , free accommodation... Why?? if you continue winning what happens to you?? same here...
read this post again guys :
I need to be exceptionally careful in what I say and how I put across my interpretations. Firstly, I have a loyalty to some people involved in cleaning up the Steinhoff mess. I will not betray that trust.
And secondly, already I have been accused of acting/being a "guru". Which in itself is weird, because all that I did was point out the some of the members on this platform lacked credible evidence for their arguments. In other words, they have put across a hunch, gut-feel or outright lie. Their insistence for example that Steinhoff was insolvent and bankrupt is an example of this.
They then warn everyone that other posters are misinforming this ShareChat platform. This is a classic bait and switch or misdirection tactic that is used extensively by those who wish to misinform. It was used by the Nazis and many illegitimate "authorities". There is nothing like having your enemies lose credibility.
So whatever, I post, I have to back this up. With evidence and with an explanation for my interpretation of the evidence. You are spot on about me knowing more than what I can type. But I can only speak on what is public knowledge on Steinhoff, or what the public could learn themselves if they dug a little.
Best Regards
Captainfrom82
and read my post from about a month back :
Hint : mafia style operation... i pointed out the dots....may be true may be false...but always a possibility!!
To you it shows management is trustworthy...alternative view: They dont want that report leaked cos they protecting someone/ a few..
What is the relationship between Du Preez and MJ??? even before the mess happened?
Only Du Preez has a hard copy....others who have a soft copy cant copy it...Why only Du Preez? Why not Heather Son?
and my summary post of the PS...
There are a few wanna be Gurus ( now gangsters) here that pretend and make it look like it’s easy money to be made in investing here.
They walk in here,throw in some billy big balls dialogue and make newbies believe it’s a walk in the park. Well that aint the truth and thats aint me.( how frikken true)
Human nature is to follow that crowd , most do it one way or the other because you feel safe in doing it.
It’s none of my business what people say of me and think of me. I am what I am and I do what I do. I expect nothing and accept everything.
Good market analysis can certainly contribute to and play a supporting role in one’s success, but it doesn’t deserve the attention and importance most Gurus mistakenly attach to it here n Steinhoff.
I wont repeat myself as i feel i have given my views/opinions on this " special" share over and over again and its "special valuation" i have placed on it looking at the backward sequence of events and uncertainties.
Unmanaged emotions by these Gurus will make them see what they want to see, or what they fear to see, instead of seeing what's there to see.
It is easy for them to put on a show and be all cocky, and feel pretty cool and all that. BUT, to express oneself honestly, not lying to oneself, that my friends here is very hard to do.Why is it that an 8 year old can look at a chart and immediately tell you the direction of the trend yet adults and Gurus with all their bells and whistles can’t figure it out?Why is it the share fell from +80 to current.
I’m only 60 years young. I’m not a “guru” or “expert” at this stage of my life. I’m sharing /advising and giving an opinion on what I have learnt from my past experiences and maybe seeing my journey helps some here in some way.( pay heed guys)...everything getting uncovered here
Im not forcing my view on anyone.Its an opinion and will remain as such. Anything can happen at anytime.My analysis /view/ opinion tells me what is likely to happen , not what is certain to happen...Know the difference!
We're dealing with probabilities, not certainties. The future on this share up or down still remains open.Lots of people won’t want to hear it what im trying to say. That’s ok. It’s not my job to please everybody.A good investor could be is a wise contrarian but not a stubborn one.
To the newbies always remember the trading/investing First Commandment: Thou shall not risk money that thou can't afford to lose.The Steinhoff current share price is not the same as value. Price is objective, Value is subjective.
The thing most love doing here and investing here is to fantasize about the profits to come. And then when things may not happen according their fantasies, it going to inevitably upsets most others here.
Im my opinion if you invested here already following the Gurus, the better approach is to imagine that the trade might result in a loss and, consequently, prepare for it. Worst case scenario. If im wrong , enjoy the winnings. Because this surely is a bet , a gamble. To new investors here, would you invest in a gamble especially when again in my opinion the odds are stacked against you?
The mind of the new trader/investor is often cluttered with some get-rich-quick nonsense posted in some chat room which they must eventually come to unlearn in order to learn something real.
To predict the behavior of ordinary people in advance, you only have to assume that they will always try to escape a disagreeable situation with the smallest possible expenditure of intelligence .
When people are under pressure, they tend to react blindly (out of fear) to protect themselves at all cost and hence the name calling , insults etc which i can handle but when attacks become personal , thats when i have to draw the line. hence the ignore list preference. I have 4 already and as of today i have included another so called Guru. Came in as a gentleman but subsequently found out to be no different attacking my character as to why i dont invest in pension funds etc. Ive told as much as possible about myself here but not all.What ive told , i get chastised on , imagine if i tell all..If only they knew!! They dont know me , this is a chat room and we all behind a curtain. I could say much more about my wealth, investments , lifestyle, etc etc etc but less said the better.These so called Gurus cant even post how much they invested here or even other shares. This i call the fear where they pump but know risk is there. And how about the guy who pumps but shorts in the share in the quiet. In my opinion he doesn't even short. Just calls the bluff trade to show how macho he is.
So people dont me misled , do you own homework ,,,,,,,and invest wisely!!!! Pumpers will try to protect their investments at all costs, even to your detriment!!!!!!
Im standing off ...My life is not worth the risk of these gangsters/mafia...
Suggest Lionel and Tom do same....
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