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#121 Africa1962

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Posted 13 April 2023 - 08:23 AM

I have been trying to figure out why so many people are still buying up shares as it seems like a lost cause. Then I came up with this theory. 

Assumption - that SNH will be forced into liquidation.

Assumption - SDK reckons that SNH is worth 12 billion Euro...which leaves 2 billion Euro left over to pay out shareholders in a liquidation.

 

Now my maths.

  • there are 4.2 billion shares listed
  • will be worth 2 billion Euro after the 10 billion is paid to creditors - that is Euro 4 cents per share (R8 a share)

so if we wait for share price to get to R0.10 and you invest R100k - you will receive 1million shares

 

At liquidation you will be paid R8 a share = R8 million (probably a lot less due to the cost of liquidation)

 

Please do not buy based on this theory.....just a thought!

But this is maybe why so many are buying shares on the hope that SNH get liquidated.


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#122 Squideye

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Posted 12 April 2023 - 08:36 PM

:D  DEOL...???  A message from the German Steinhoff Shareholders to South Africa and the world!
 

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Posted 12 April 2023 - 03:09 PM

:rolleyes:  Summary...

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#124 Squideye

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Posted 11 April 2023 - 06:31 PM

:rolleyes:  Mattress Firm...

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Posted 11 April 2023 - 11:13 AM

:rolleyes:  Steinhoff stel waarnemers aan om oog oor sy plan met skuld te hou. Wanneer die skuldplan van Steinhoff in werking tree, gaan die maatskappy – wat eens baie bekend was op Stellenbosch en die Maties-rugbyspan geborg het – ophou bestaan. Twee waarnemers is ingevolge Nederlandse wetgewing oor bankrotskap en insolvensie aangestel om die samestelling van ’n skuldplan vir Steinhoff te monitor. Volgens Steinhoff het hy vrywillig ’n hofaansoek gebring om die hof te versoek om ’n waarnemer aan te stel. Luidens die hofbevel is nie een nie, maar twee waarnemers aangestel gegewe die kompleksiteit van Steinhoff en van die plan wat beoog word..... @ https://www.netwerk2...te-hou-20230411


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Posted 10 April 2023 - 08:26 AM

:rolleyes:  Everything is possible now...

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Posted 07 April 2023 - 05:57 AM

:rolleyes:  Nederlandse hof stel Steinhoff WHOA-waarnemers aan...

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Posted 06 April 2023 - 04:55 PM

Appointment Of An Observer @ https://www.sharenet...0&seq=70&scode=


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#129 Tom

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Posted 06 April 2023 - 08:59 AM

If the following plan isnt theft and fraud then what is it, and if the management are openly refusing to work for the shareholders then how come they still earning a salary from Steinhoff and making decisions.

 

(New Topco) will replace Steinhoff as the ultimate parent company of the restructured group.

All shares in the capital of New Topco will be transferred to Dutch special purpose trust foundations.

"The transaction" … will ultimately result in Steinhoff shareholders losing their majority interests in Steinhoff without any compensation and the Dutch Trust Foundations holding the simple majority of the shares in Steinhoff and all shares in New Topco and, indirectly, the group,” according to documentation.

It states that the “new” transaction would not require shareholder approval, but only need to be approved by Dutch courts.

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Posted 05 April 2023 - 02:27 PM

How can the management be allowed to open a case against the shareholders using the shareholders money and still be paid their huge salaries for their time to do such thing.

 

After that all their proposed resolutions in the last meeting were voted down by the shareholder, the management should have resigned, but because they want to stay collecting their huge salaries the only way for the shareholders to get them out is to dismiss them.

 

The management previously gave away half of Mattress Firm on a silver plate to creditors in exchange of a relatively manageable loan of 300m$ that Steinhoff must still pay back with a big interest.

 

Since December 2017 they have been shamelessly posting lies and baseless promises that mislead and inflected huge cost on the shareholders.

 

Huge Steinhoff shareholders money were used to uncover the pre Dec2017 fraud and issue a report about it, but they still refuse to release that report and still haven't started suing to get money back from the old fraudsters, and not even a word about that, which makes it look like that they're waiting till they get the company out of the shareholders control before they do such a step that can result in considerable money for the shareholders, otherwise why was all that huge cost paid to do the investigation if no litigation and claim backs is to start.

 

Since the new management took over in 2018 the audited Total Equity of Steinhoff went down from positive +0.641 billion euros down to minus -3.64 billion euros, that's 4.281 billion euros loss, despite all the operational gains that were made, add this and the money wasting is even bigger.

 

And then the selling of many of Steinhoff's properties for low prices instead of the turn around that they claimed they wanted to do, so if they didn't turn around a subsidiary how come they claim to be trying to turn around a whole group, obviously the plan was just to make quick and easy money for themselves and to keep sweet talking everyone else.

 

And then their fraudulent claim of offering 20% to the shareholders (while giving the creditors 100% of the voting rights, and without lowering any loan or its interest) and the management still mislead the shareholders telling them that it's the best they can get, and not telling the shareholder that 20% of zero equals zero now and forever and even untradable.

 

The day the SH's voted againts giving these dodgy manangement Shares as payment, was the first nail.


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#131 Tom

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Posted 05 April 2023 - 12:42 PM

How can the management be allowed to open a case against the shareholders using the shareholders money and still be paid their huge salaries for their time to do such thing.

 

After that all their proposed resolutions in the last meeting were voted down by the shareholder, the management should have resigned, but because they want to stay collecting their huge salaries the only way for the shareholders to get them out is to dismiss them.

 

The management previously gave away half of Mattress Firm on a silver plate to creditors in exchange of a relatively manageable loan of 300m$ that Steinhoff must still pay back with a big interest.

 

Since December 2017 they have been shamelessly posting lies and baseless promises that mislead and inflected huge cost on the shareholders.

 

Huge Steinhoff shareholders money were used to uncover the pre Dec2017 fraud and issue a report about it, but they still refuse to release that report and still haven't started suing to get money back from the old fraudsters, and not even a word about that, which makes it look like that they're waiting till they get the company out of the shareholders control before they do such a step that can result in considerable money for the shareholders, otherwise why was all that huge cost paid to do the investigation if no litigation and claim backs is to start.

 

Since the new management took over in 2018 the audited Total Equity of Steinhoff went down from positive +0.641 billion euros down to minus -3.64 billion euros, that's 4.281 billion euros loss, despite all the operational gains that were made, add this and the money wasting is even bigger.

 

And then the selling of many of Steinhoff's properties for low prices instead of the turn around that they claimed they wanted to do, so if they didn't turn around a subsidiary how come they claim to be trying to turn around a whole group, obviously the plan was just to make quick and easy money for themselves and to keep sweet talking everyone else.

 

And then their fraudulent claim of offering 20% to the shareholders (while giving the creditors 100% of the voting rights, and without lowering any loan or its interest) and the management still mislead the shareholders telling them that it's the best they can get, and not telling the shareholder that 20% of zero equals zero now and forever and even untradable.


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#132 Squideye

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Posted 05 April 2023 - 05:26 AM

Whoa … Are Steinhoff Shares Heading For Zero? @ https://newsazi.com/...ading-for-zero/

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Posted 04 April 2023 - 10:01 AM

Disgusting post from some scum and a sad psycho's mass murder trivialisation.
 
Commentary from another source, based on the video from Business Day TV. The sources aim seems trying to withhold every single critical article about Steinhoff from the masses in order to persuade them to continue in Steinhoff share dealings.
 
Translated:
 
Verster stupid
 
The next Verster is OUR ENEMY!!!
He belongs to the gang of LV and HF who are trying to finish us off.
Who want to dispossess us and lie and manipulate us from top to bottom to do so.
 
So this is supposed to be NEUTRAL REPORTING?
Yes, of course.
 
So now my tasteless example, but unfortunately it is 100% true!
 
It's like waging war with Hitler and then asking Himmler and Goebbels what they think of Hitler and what is the best thing to do now!!!!
 
Therefore, from now on, everything that is posted by Verster here in the forum should be reported immediately because of market manipulation, which is what it is. We must not support this dirty game that is being tried to be played with us here, but must fight against it fully.
 
The video from 20:00 min 
 

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#134 Squideye

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Posted 04 April 2023 - 06:27 AM

:wacko:  History Channel - Interesting reading...

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#135 DeltaHedge

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Posted 03 April 2023 - 05:58 PM

Steinies is a buy.... NOT
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Posted 03 April 2023 - 02:23 PM

You don't have to understand much German. In the first minute of the vid, that guy behaves like he's a fogged-up drug addict.  :D
 

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#137 Squideye

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Posted 03 April 2023 - 12:56 PM


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Posted 02 April 2023 - 12:38 AM

:rolleyes:  Steinhoff krediteure gereed vir onderhandeling...

Haha good one!


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Posted 01 April 2023 - 02:09 PM

:rolleyes:  Steinhoff krediteure gereed vir onderhandeling...

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Posted 01 April 2023 - 11:17 AM

:rolleyes:  Steinhoff krediteure gereed vir onderhandeling...

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