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Posted 12 December 2017 - 08:55 AM

 They need to change brokers. Their brokers screwed them nicely. Broker never acted on behalf of their clients. You dont drop a share 70% juts to recover margins. Surely they cud have sold slowly into the market and not hit the bids consistently as the price fell. Some thing more to this i promise.

this is rather suspicious hey?, lets wait and see what the investigative journalists are able to unmask. JSE seems very quiet on this, they should have investigated further, perhaps biting their tongue for now


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Posted 11 December 2017 - 08:57 PM

Jehan Mackay and CFO John King had to sell R143 million Rand worth of shares to meet margin calls.

 

Eina!

 
 

 

 They need to change brokers. Their brokers screwed them nicely. Broker never acted on behalf of their clients. You dont drop a share 70% juts to recover margins. Surely they cud have sold slowly into the market and not hit the bids consistently as the price fell. Some thing more to this i promise.


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Posted 11 December 2017 - 07:23 PM

Jehan Mackay and CFO John King had to sell R143 million Rand worth of shares to meet margin calls.

 

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Posted 11 December 2017 - 12:53 PM

traders game-----perhaps we may see some end of day trading and the price all over the place. lots of energy with this share- suppose we will see some ups and downs throughout December as the truth is exposed...


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Posted 11 December 2017 - 12:08 PM

Just over half of the purchase price of FDA, GCT and ISS was paid for through the issue of shares, which at the time were trading at about R150.

It is estimated that a fifth to a quarter of EOH’s business came from the public sector.

Founder and former CEO Asher Bohbot said on Friday he had not sold an EOH share in "many years".


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Posted 11 December 2017 - 11:27 AM

normal circumstances they would have as they bought in 2015. But these okes are clever. Probably had in the purchase and sale agreement if profits not on target can reverse transaction and this seems to be the case. if so no liability as all will be written back imo. 

 

But still more to this i feel. Cant get out so easily.  Anyway i sold out today at R60.00. Average cost R34.00

 

Also sens blaming margin calls for that fall....Hell im not an idiot EOH!! Either you all playing dumb, ignorant or you all plain stupid to think market will believe that margin call fall stuff.

 

A classic forced sale of shares by financial institutions against equity financed transactions.On Friday, it collapsed to R26.80 and then recovered to 46 in no time. 


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Posted 11 December 2017 - 11:08 AM

Paywall so that sucks... post the article...  :ph34r:

Raid leads EOH to rethink purchases  
 
10 DECEMBER 2017 - 00:32 ASHA SPECKMAN AND PERICLES ANETOS
Governance structures at EOH, once a darling of JSE stocks, had to be reviewed and strengthened after a business that EOH planned to buy was implicated in corruption, its chairman Sandile Zungu said on Friday.

EOH was in the process of reversing the purchase, made in 2015, of Forensic Data Analysts, Grid Control Technologies and Investigative Software Solutions owned by Keith Keating and other shareholders.

The deal was subject to profit warranties being met. But this week the home of Keating was raided by the Independent Police Investigative Directorate as part of an investigation into the irregularities in contracts that Forensic Data Analysts had with the State Information and Technology Agency (Sita) and the police.

 

Zungu said the EOH board planned to meet early this week to discuss, among other things, the possible financial implications of EOH's decision to reverse its 2015 purchase of three businesses.

Earlier this year EOH was implicated in a report by investigative journalists at AmaBhugane of irregularities in social grant IT contracts worth millions of rand, but it was cleared of wrongdoing.

The developments concerning Keating led to the EOH share price falling 34% on Thursday, but it recovered some losses before the close on Friday. EOH said Keating's businesses failed to meet profit warranties that had been a condition of the deal.

Zungu said: "At the level of governance structures in [EOH] clearly there were weaknesses. We need to strengthen the governance structure so that even the possibility of such uncorroboratable allegations [related to Keatings' alleged irregular contracts with Sita and the police] must not even arise. The governance issues arising from that need to be taken to the next level," he said, without elaborating on the steps that would be taken.

EOH, which listed on the JSE in 1998, has a quarter of its operations outside South Africa but the bulk of its revenue is generated domestically from services that include IT infrastructure, apps, automation, legal services and hospital administration services in the public and private sector. It operates in 50 countries with about 12500 employees.

Ryan Seaborne, a money manager at the 36One Asset Management, told Bloomberg the company was suffering from a lack of corporate governance and poor communication which created the impression that it was "concerned about something could come out in the public".

Seaborne said EOH had to clarify the situation over the investigation. "Alternatively I would not buy a single share. They need to reconstitute the board," he said.

Keith McLachlan, a fund manager at AlphaWealth, said factors weighing on the share price included poor disclosure and questions around the group. The unexpected departure of founding CEO Asher Bohbot in June after 19 years contributed to the mistrust, he said.

The unease among investors this week was partly stoked by the collapse of Steinhoff, whose investors rushed to sell stock.

Ron Klipin, a portfolio manager at Cratos Wealth, said the market was concerned that EOH senior management were not buying shares. But Zungu said he planned to take up further stock "with my own money".

Klipin said the deals Keating did with Sita and the police had dented credibility.

"It's the latest thing that has emerged that appears to have got the market rattled," he said, adding that market was more risk averse following the Steinhoff debacle.

The JSE had been in touch with EOH, according to John Burke, director of issuer regulation at the bourse.

Burke said EOH "confirmed to the JSE they were not aware of any price-sensitive information which would require an announcement".

Based on the unusual volatility in the share price, the company had issued a voluntary announcement, he said. The JSE would act on any reports or identification of potential market abuse.

Zungu said the audit committee "will inform the board what next to do". The audit committee would review the impact of reversing the purchases.

"We want to go back to the investor community and public at large with detail," he said.

EOH was unlikely to collapse, he said.

"The underlying business is fundamentally very strong. We have strong businesses. We do not have debt facilities that can be pulled by a bank. We have no bonds that will mature. We are basically ungeared," said Zungu.

The company was talking to shareholders. "I don't think people must sell in fright because they will be disadvantaging themselves. We need to quantify issues, losses and that's what we'll do next week."

Sita said it had handed over the relevant information to Ipid.

"We are committed to collaborate, support and work with all government institutions, to ensure that the rule of law applies equally to all," it said. It is not conducting an internal investigation
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Posted 11 December 2017 - 10:31 AM

hi there, if there is any wrong doing with the three entities- does EOH still carry the liability?

normal circumstances they would have as they bought in 2015. But these okes are clever. Probably had in the purchase and sale agreement if profits not on target can reverse transaction and this seems to be the case. if so no liability as all will be written back imo. 

 

But still more to this i feel. Cant get out so easily.  Anyway i sold out today at R60.00. Average cost R34.00

 

Also sens blaming margin calls for that fall....Hell im not an idiot EOH!! Either you all playing dumb, ignorant or you all plain stupid to think market will believe that margin call fall stuff.


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Posted 11 December 2017 - 10:12 AM

hi there, if there is any wrong doing with the three entities- does EOH still carry the liability?


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Posted 11 December 2017 - 08:36 AM

two views emanating- one view- cheap and an opportunity to buy and a second - increased suspicion especially around vagueness of ceo communication.

may see a dip this week based or a further increase in share price - I would hazard a dip or remaining stead rather than an increase,,,,what are your thoughts.....has any one read the article referred to below


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Posted 10 December 2017 - 06:31 PM

EOH response to price fall:

 

https://www.business...hink-purchases/

Paywall so that sucks... post the article...  :ph34r:


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Posted 10 December 2017 - 09:35 AM

EOH response to price fall:

 

https://www.business...hink-purchases/


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 05:30 PM

The Group has also reached agreement with the former shareholders of Grid Control Technologies Proprietary Limited, Forensic Data Analysts Proprietary Limited and Investigative Software Solutions Proprietary Limited, to unwind the transaction effective 31 October 2017.

 

These are the guys under investigation by IPID. How much do they add to EOH's HEPS?   

The GCT group of companies was acquired with effect from 18 November 2015 for R868 million.


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 04:31 PM

24/11/2017. PSG ASSET MANAGEMENT INCREASES SHAREHOLDING IN EOH TO 5.02%. They must be cheesed off.

Unit trusts increased their holdings by 27% in the quarter ending September 2017, mostly PSG and Old Mutual.


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 02:23 PM

The company is where Pinnacle was some time back. Not a bad nibble at these levels. 


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 12:47 PM

The trigger that lead to Mackay selling off on 1st December following the publication of this article in the Daily Maverick on the 27th November?

 

 https://www.dailymav...bn-expenditure/

 

and this one earlier on 8th November:

https://www.dailymav...eeps-on-giving/


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 11:29 AM

fantastic, predictable and now to take profits.....

will buy again next week, wont be greedy.

thank you - unit trusts and brave souls

 


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 11:14 AM

squeeze time.


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 11:00 AM

The Group has also reached agreement with the former shareholders of Grid Control Technologies Proprietary Limited, Forensic Data Analysts Proprietary Limited and Investigative Software Solutions Proprietary Limited, to unwind the transaction effective 31 October 2017.

 

These are the guys under investigation by IPID. How much do they add to EOH's HEPS?   

bought  the 3 companies in 2015. very conveniently dissociated itself from them and reversing  transaction.

Does not work like that. Its your subsidiary from 2015 and whole group tarnished irrespective if you reverse transaction.


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 10:51 AM

eoh wil be a fantastic buy once we have some comfort on the extent of the irregularity, books may be clean but people are shady. need to better understand board involvement and sale of shares in the past year. one director sited conflict of interest due to investment in similar entity- be interested to find out if there is any merit in this. JSE seems rather quiet- are they convinced or does it seem that they are convinced that there was no insider trading....should have expected more energy around this....need to expose and eject management and bring in "curatorship".....

 


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