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A prayer before Top40 explodes

 

Our Fed, Who art in Washington, Yellen be thy name, Thy printing come, Thy will be done by Ben as it is with Janet, Give us this day our daily billion, and increase our debts, As we bail out our debtors, And lead us not into inflation, But deliver us from down markets, For thine is the printing, the bubble and the euphoria, Forever till taper. Amen

If Advanced Health (AVL) can execute to plan they look set to significantly benefit from a potential secular shift in the healthcare industry.  In an attempt to reduce costs the Health Insurance providers (Discovery Health leading the charge) are incentivizing specialist to perform more surgeries at day clinics. South Africa is only has 45 day clinics vs 245 private hospitals so there is plenty of room for growth.

 

AVL is raising R100mln to triple the number of Day clinics they operate. If mgmt can execute this stock could be a 5 bagger over the net 5 years.

 

Nevertheless the 100c/shr listing price looks reasonable. 

 

Here are some of my thoughts and numbers http://wp.me/p3RKee-6x . 

 

 

Good analysis although you may want to spend a bit of time doing a bit more risk analysis. The risks to this business are substantial.

Firstly, regulatory risk - as you know the private sector is under scrutiny and prices could soon be regulated (read WILL be regulate). Now this as you say could well play into the hands of Advanced Health. Thing is though, in the words of Warren Buffet, you need a moat and I don't see how these guys will compete against the like of the big groups. Surely if the trend begins to push patients from hospitals into day units the big boys are not going to sit around and watch it happen? If this market is viable, mark my words, you will se aggressive expansion of the big hospital groups into it. Advanced Health could get bought out if they have enough mass by then, or they will be relegated to minor leagues.

 

My question is, if they are so brilliant at what they do, why is it they have only 2-3 clinics in Oz?

 

ps, to be honest, I like this sector and possible macrotrend. I've seen it personally in other parts of the world and SA is slow to the crease however I'm not convinced this company is the right one to take advantage of it.

 

Just my 2c..

It reads also:
"MRI’s coal briquetting plant at the Vaalkrantz Mine in Kwazulu-Natal in South Africa (‘the Project’), which commenced operations from run of mine coal in October 2013, has now installed and fully commissioned a re-suspension unit allowing it to operate from the fines stockpile of the plant. With this initial ramp up now complete, the Project can commence full commercial production".

They have been producing briquettes from the 10% run off from the wash plant to date as they are right next to it with their briquette production. The waste fines stockpile is massive, it means now they can eat into the stockpile as and when they wish as well as using the day to day run off. They are ramping up production. Making as many Briquettes as they can. Good News.

Hi LWVi,

 

There are numerous options here:

 

1) TRADING IN YOUR PERSONAL CAPACITY

 

Pros

- Any profits/losses can be added to/deducted from your other income (salary etc) under normal circumstances (there are exceptions if make recurring losses, ie. ringfencing if you're taxed at the maximum marginal rate, but that becomes very detailed)

- Cheaper structure than Trust or Company

 

Cons

- If you're a director, hold a bond or have any other "risks" associated with your personal capacity, your portfolio is at risk to your creditors

- Forms part of your estate and when you die, would be subject to estate duty

- Can become quite tricky on your personal tax, and will probably lead to quite a few tax queries in the future in the case of losses

- Comes administrative, unless an accountant deals with the secretarial issues

 

2) COMPANY

 

Pros

- Easily accessible for other investors as you mentioned

- Can be sold quite easily (sell the shares of the company)

- Lower effective tax rate than marginal individual rate of 40% (38.80% taking into account profits after dividends tax distributed)

- Tax affairs are easy to deal with (for accountants anyway)

- Company continues after your death (see Cons - shares)

 

Cons

- May require an audit or independent review (unless you are the sole director and hold the shares in your personal capacity, and the Public Interest Score in terms of the Companies Act is low enough, then it would just be a compilation) - which can become costly (ie. more expensive structure)

- Shares will fall into your personal estate and are not protected (same as for individual capacity) unless the shares are held in trust - which will then definitely require at least an independent review of the financial statements (costly)

 

3) TRUST

 

Pros

- Assets are protected against your creditors if you maintain the trust structure properly

- Assets don't form part of your estate (better tax planning)

- Profits can be distributed to the beneficiaries and taxed in their capacities (ie. at lower rates), unless section 7 is triggered (don't want to go into the detail here, it can become lengthy)

- Tax affairs are fairly simple to deal with (by an accountant anyway)

- Cheaper than a company structure

- No audit required unless it is required in terms of the trust deed

 

 

Cons

- Not as easy for other investors to enter as you'd have to amend the trust deed and create very specific beneficiary groups - although if you have other investors interested you can start a company and dispose of the shares in terms of group rules (a simple section 42 transaction could then transfer the portfolio into a company structure, with the company's shares held in the trust)

- Can be slightly administrative (secretarial records, trustees, resolutions etc), but much less so than with a company structure

- New legislation regarding the capital gains in trusts expected soon, and it is expected to be onerous amendments

- If profits are not distributed, it is taxed in the trust at 40%, but that's the same as the individuals' maximum marginal rate.

 

 

Hope that helps. If you want further detail you could go see an accountant (CA) or attorney on the above.

 

From the info you've supplied, I would suggest a trust as this would be the least costly whilst protecting your assets.

Bit of a stupid question, but I still don't know how to give reputation points. anyone willing to share?

Not entirely sure I should be giving lessons on this but...

 

Red or Green up and down arrow on the right hand side of a post. But make sure you click the correct one.

Brothers, it's not a pissing contest; we're traders. Back to the matter at hand.

 

I'm still long from 46215. My target of 46516 wasn't hit, this thing turned around at 46470, but that's OK. It shall be reached, come rain or shine.

 

Happy trading.

On  a more serious note here's what i think about small caps. There is nothing wrong about investing in small caps as long as you understand what you are holding. Small caps are often under-capitalized which mean that they are much more interest rate sensitive. Small caps have been helped here by the falling interest rates the last few years. If you believe that we have hit the bottom in the interest rate cycle which we definitely have , then you should  reconsider your holdings in these small caps especially over the next few years. If you think their growth will exceed the interest rate increase and allowance for inflation, then by all means hold on to them, otherwise keep away!!

If Advanced Health (AVL) can execute to plan they look set to significantly benefit from a potential secular shift in the healthcare industry.  In an attempt to reduce costs the Health Insurance providers (Discovery Health leading the charge) are incentivizing specialist to perform more surgeries at day clinics. South Africa is only has 45 day clinics vs 245 private hospitals so there is plenty of room for growth.

 

AVL is raising R100mln to triple the number of Day clinics they operate. If mgmt can execute this stock could be a 5 bagger over the net 5 years.

 

Nevertheless the 100c/shr listing price looks reasonable. 

 

Here are some of my thoughts and numbers http://wp.me/p3RKee-6x . 

Nice one littleguy!

This the moment of our deepest sorrow. Our nation has lost its greatest son, yet what made Nelson Mandela great was precisely what made him human

Our deepest condolences to the family of Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela, and the nation at large for the loss of our former State President

 

Lets pay our last respects

 

 

Hi Pilot,

 

Great thread, been following it since you started it.

 

I was wondering how you determine in which way the trend is heading? Is it through technical analysis?

 

Hi pilot thanks for the great advise. I'm sure most of us would like to know this but you keep talking about you triggers and indicators. Would you mind giving your break down of your ticks/rules that a trade needs to make for you to consider it?<br /><br />Thank in advance. 😄

 

Morning Gents

 

Just to give you bit of background.

 

I have been investing since 1994 and was fascinated with the Stock Exchange (and I still am). I have a strong maths background and wanted to figure out why and when to buy shares. Warren Buffet , had me hooked on value investing by 2005, but I was a big fan of technical analysis. So since 2006 I backed only value shares and used technical analysis to determine good entry points. I started using SSF in 2008 to increase my exposure, but at the end of 2008 and beginning of 2009 I lost everything. I was holding shares like BRN, OML, SHF and TKG. In those days it was the best value I could find on the market, and had I held them till today, I would have done well. But if there is panic and fear in the market, you can hold the best of shares, they will get smash. And when you think its the bottom.... they get smashed some more. 19 and 20 February 2009 was the end for me when OML dropped 7,3% and 5,8% in succession, after dropping from my R8-00 entry to R7-00 before the 19th. Not happy times, to say the least.

 

Now on to the better news. The lessons I learned from this experience, has changed my view on the way the market is moving. Fundamentals wasn't moving it, in the short term anyway. So my interest changed to reading up everything on market cycles and trends, which shares do best in which part of the cycle. It is all good to know this, but when is the start and when is the beginning and when do the certain sector start moving. It was very vague. And that took me right back to my Technical analysis. Three years ago I was full time into technical analysis and tried about 100 different technical indicators. Using them in different ways, and added % chance of success on each of them. Most of them don't work on their own effectively, but I had about 15 that worked the best.

 

The last year my focus swung to what happens right before an uptrend or downtrend and I found that certain (modified) indicators do the same thing nearly every time a new trend starts (about 85% success). In March this year I ran preliminary data on Jan, Feb and March of 2015 and came to the astonishing conclusion, of doing 67%, 80% and 55% in each of those months (with gearing of course). Around 10-20% without gearing.

 

My next step was to prove it with real trading scenarios and thus the thread, I started here on sharechat. I am in the process of leaving my current job, and to pursue trading shares full time. 

 

If someone can come up with a descent 8 digit amount for my model, I would sell it.   But I don't want to jeopardise the sale of my model by giving all the information that I have. 

 

 

I do use RSI indicators, Divergence indicators (I developed myself), STS indicators (modified), MFI indicator (modified), sma's and wma's. Most of these indicators values have been changed to give smoother and more accurate trigger points. Some of the short term Indicators need to do the same thing at the same time, to validate a trend changes, but then I need to see a trend break on the RSI indicators as well. (Not on the graph). I would sometimes say a trend has broken, but it has broken on the RSI and not on the graph. 

 

Lastly, I would go to the graph, and especially with big formation breaks, it confirms the new trend and the break. Then a new trend has started (most of the time)

 

I know I'm not giving you a lot of information, but hope this will help. 

 

In the meantime, I will be posting on here, to share my view. Thanks to everyone for all the interest!

 

Happy Trading

 

 

Pilot