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#5801 andi222

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Posted 04 November 2020 - 05:28 PM

Dissappointment but delayed excitement...94% approval......now its a 3 month protracted journey but the deal is all but done....and cons3nt provoded to finalise settlement...am i missing something....

 

100% correct. They have approved the extension and settlement proposal. They just need a bit more time to implement. 

Also important part:

- Steinhoff is pleased to announce that it has received overwhelming support from its financial creditors in respect of the Proposed Settlement.

- The SEAG CPU will run in parallel with other processes and as such is not expected to delay the intended implementation of the Proposed Settlement. As previously announced, Steinhoff’s intention is to implement the Proposed Settlement as soon as possible.

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Posted 04 November 2020 - 05:24 PM

Dissappointment but delayed excitement...94% approval......now its a 3 month protracted journey but the deal is all but done....and cons3nt provoded to finalise settlement...am i missing something....
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Posted 04 November 2020 - 05:22 PM

This statement just tells how bad this management is:

"Steinhoff is pleased to announce that it has received overwhelming support from its financial creditors in respect of the Proposed Settlement"

So it's "overwhelming support" but the proposal, the way or the other, failed. again that means:failed.

 

I don't know where this hate comes from. Management cant do nothing that one idiot didn't agree to extend. However management has made a plan B and this will be a success. Tradegate is talking. Tomorrow we are opening with a huge GAP on the JSE. Hope you guys are not sitting on short.


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#5804 Sleepwa123

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Posted 04 November 2020 - 04:56 PM

Tom I don't quite agree with your assessment.

 

Overwhelming support was attained and they will get this over the line with the creditors only in a longer time frame. Definitely not a failure but it is frustrating because it is going to require additional management time to overcome.


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Posted 04 November 2020 - 04:51 PM

This statement just tells how bad this management is:

"Steinhoff is pleased to announce that it has received overwhelming support from its financial creditors in respect of the Proposed Settlement"

So it's "overwhelming support" but the proposal, the way or the other, failed. again that means:failed.


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Posted 04 November 2020 - 04:15 PM

I guess we should have expected that there would not be 100% support for the settlements. The wait continues.


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Posted 04 November 2020 - 04:12 PM

Ja this is pretty boring stuff. Not good at this waiting thing. Lord knows we've been patient.

 

sort of good news out in latest Sens.....


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Posted 04 November 2020 - 04:05 PM

Ask and you shall get...sens out! 

 

STEINHOFF INTERNATIONAL HOLDINGS N.V. - Update On Steinhoff Lender Consent Request
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Posted 04 November 2020 - 03:04 PM

Ja this is pretty boring stuff. Not good at this waiting thing. Lord knows we've been patient.


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Posted 03 November 2020 - 10:08 PM

Okes be quiet, calm before the storm ?
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Posted 02 November 2020 - 01:25 AM


So he ones that directly lost their money from the SNH inside trading scandal, are the average share holders, so how come the FSCA gets money, but not the aggrieved share holders.

According to me the ones involved in the proven inside trading should compensate directly the aggrieved share holders every cent lost (plus interest).


Agreed you are 100 percent correct.
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Posted 01 November 2020 - 07:57 PM

https://businesstech...gations-report/

 

Markus Jooste facing new fraud allegations

 

The Hawks are investigating new fraud and money-laundering allegations against former Steinhoff chief executive Markus Jooste whose empire collapsed three years ago in what is said to be South Africa’s biggest corporate fraud.
 
The Sunday Times reported that the Hawks are targeting the bank records of Jooste’s horse-racing company, Mayfair Speculators, between 2000 and 2009.
 
The Hawks attached details of bank transactions involving hundreds of millions of rands moved between Steinhoff, Mayfair Speculators and other Jooste entities.
 
These include a company breeding thoroughbred horses, involving transactions of about R52 million, and millions into property development companies. One transaction included the transfer of about R2.6 million to Bentley SA, in January 2006.

Edited by Tom, 01 November 2020 - 07:58 PM.

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Posted 01 November 2020 - 07:40 PM

https://www.moneyweb...or-a-while-yet/

 

Jooste may dodge FSCA’s R161.6m fine for a while yet

 

It could be several years before former Steinhoff CEO Markus Jooste has to pay any of the hefty R161.6 million administrative fine, levied by the Financial Sector Conduct Authority (FSCA) for insider trading in Steinhoff shares just days before the share price collapsed in December 2017.

 

 

https://www.moneyweb...or-a-while-yet/

 

They were fined R115.8 million. Oosthuizen, who died last year, denied receiving the SMS. Topham said the FSCA found that Oosthuizen deliberately misled investigators during questioning and failed to provide meaningful cooperation.

Dr Gerhardus Burger, an acquaintance of Jooste, was fined R 3million, which represents two times the loss he avoided as a result of trading on the SMS tip. The fourth tippee was Jooste’s driver Marthinus Swiegelaar who was fined R18 328 for selling his 400 Steinhoff shares. Both Burger and Swiegelaar acknowledged receipt of the SMA.

The FSCA’s order reveals that Du Toit was the first to receive the SMS; it pinged on his cellphone at 10:38am on November 30. Thirty minutes later Burger received the same message on his phone. It was over an hour later, at 11.56 am, that both Oosthuizen and Swiegelaar received the same SMS message.

Burger sold his Steinhoff shares on the afternoon of November 30, while Oosthuizen called his broker within minutes of receiving Jooste’s SMS and instructed him to sell all of his Steinhoff shares.

  • Swiegelaar, who initially thought he had received the SMS by mistake, did nothing until December 4. At that stage, “after hearing gossip that there were irregularities at Steinhoff, he was able to make sense of the warning SMS, then understood that it was probably meant for him, and sold his shares,” states the FSCA’s order.

Topham said the FSCA would provide the police and the NPA with their findings. “The NPA will then decide whether to prosecute for this or the other cases that have been opened up against Jooste.”

He also reiterated that the FSCA was continuing to investigate the individuals behind the publication of false and misleading information released by Steinhoff. This is related to the mid-October announcement that the FSCA had fined Steinhoff, the company, for releasing false and misleading information.


Edited by Tom, 01 November 2020 - 07:43 PM.

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#5814 Tom

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Posted 01 November 2020 - 07:34 PM

It looks like they don't do inside trading on the company they manage (because it would be easily caught), but they secretly leak the information to others that would do it on their behalf or in exchange of other favours like deals that can look like arms length but they're not, or inside information to trade on the other mangers' stock ... and the losers or always the average share holders.


Edited by Tom, 01 November 2020 - 07:36 PM.

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Posted 01 November 2020 - 07:29 PM

https://www.moneyweb...or-a-while-yet/

 

Jooste may dodge FSCA’s R161.6m fine for a while yet

 

It could be several years before former Steinhoff CEO Markus Jooste has to pay any of the hefty R161.6 million administrative fine, levied by the Financial Sector Conduct Authority (FSCA) for insider trading in Steinhoff shares just days before the share price collapsed in December 2017.

 

 


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Posted 01 November 2020 - 07:23 PM

So he ones that directly lost their money from the SNH inside trading scandal, are the average share holders, so how come the FSCA gets money, but not the aggrieved share holders.
 
According to me the ones involved in the proven inside trading should compensate directly the aggrieved share holders every cent lost (plus interest).

Edited by Tom, 01 November 2020 - 07:24 PM.

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Posted 01 November 2020 - 07:14 PM

Many times I notice sudden unexplainable move on a share, and only too late I realize the reason, many of it are probably inside trading (not luck).


Edited by Tom, 01 November 2020 - 07:18 PM.

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Posted 01 November 2020 - 07:13 PM

https://www.business...-jooste-2020-10

 

  • Four men received an SMS from Markus Jooste a few days before he quit as Steinhoff CEO.
  • He warned them to sell their shares in the company, which went on to lose 90% of its value.
  • Three of them acted on the tip-off, which saved them a lot of money – until now.

The Financial Sector Conduct Authority (FSCA) on Friday fined Markus Jooste and three others around R241 million for insider trading.

On 30 November 2017, Jooste sent an SMS to four men who were close to him.

"You always ask my opinion, it will take Steinhoff a long time to work through all the bad news and America. So there are better places to invest your money. Take the current price immediately. And delete this SMS and don't mention it to anyone," read the SMS – translated from Afrikaans, and presented to the media by head of investigation and enforcement at the FSCA, Brandon Topham.

On 5 December 2017, Jooste resigned as Steinhoff CEO after auditors Deloitte refused to sign off on the company’s results for the financial year to end-September of that year.

Then followed possibly the largest corporate crash – and uncovering of fraud – in South Africa's history. Steinhoff’s share price crashed 90% and investors lost R200 billion. 

But three of the SMS recipients sold off some or all of their Steinhoff shares and were spared the worst of it. Until now.

After a marathon investigation, the FSCA found Jooste and three men guilty of insider trading. Jooste was fined almost R161.6 million– but is also jointly liable for around R56 million of the fines for the guilty parties. If they can’t afford to pay, he has to cover for them.

Here’s what we know about the recipients of the SMS:

Jaap du Toit, PSG founder and director Du Toit, 66, was the only one of the four men who didn’t act on Jooste’s SMS.

So Du Toit wasn’t fined anything, but Jooste received an extra R1 million fine just because he sent the message anyway.

Still, Du Toit’s relationship with Jooste has cost him a lot of money.

Du Toit, a chartered accountant, worked with Jannie Mouton – later billionaire chairman of PSG - at the stockbroker Senekal, Mouton & Kitshoff, where Du Toit was financial director. After Mouton was spectacularly fired at SMK, Du Toit joined him as a founder of PSG, which would later spawn Capitec, Curro and many other businesses.

In 2015, Jooste proposed to Du Toit and another PSG director, Thys du Toit, that they should exchange their stakes in PSG for Steinhoff shares in a deal worth R1.8 billion. They agreed – as did founder of FirstRand GT Ferreira, who later also swapped his shares in PSG for a stake – to the ire of Mouton, who wasn’t aware of the dealings.

Jaap du Toit lost R740 million as part of the deal, and two years ago, via the Le Toit Trust,  sued Jooste for that amount. Jooste tried to have the lawsuit thrown out, claiming that the case is vague and embarrassing. But the court disagreed.

Du Toit has been chairperson of KAP Industrial, which owns various holdings including the transport group Unitrans, and the timber group PG Bison, since 2012. Steinhoff controlled KAP until last year.

Ockie Oosthuizen, a friend of Jooste       Oosthuizen, a former Springbok prop, died last year from cancer at the age of 64. He owned the Molenvliet wine farm in Stellenbosch, and was also a founder of the sports agency Megapro.

The FSCA found that Oosthuizen “deliberately misled investigators during questioning and thus failed to provide meaningful cooperation”. His company Ocsan Investment Enterprises was fined almost R116 million. Ocsan is responsible for R77.2 million of the fine, while R38.6 million is a joint liability with Jooste.

Dr Gerhardus Diedericks Burger, a friend of Jooste

Burger dumped all his Steinhoff shares, held by two of his family trusts, after receiving the SMS.

He was fined more than R3 million – which is double the loss he would have avoided as a result of the insider trading.

Company records show that Burger is a director of a company in Hermanus, where Jooste resides.

Marthinus Swiegelaar, Jooste’s chauffeur

Swiegelaar was only fined R18,380 – he sold some of his shares after the Jooste SMS, but the FSCA says he “provided the highest level of cooperation during the investigation” compared to the other parties.

He also sold significantly less shares than the rest of the investigated parties. The penalty imposed on him represents the loss he avoided by selling his shares.

What’s next for Jooste?

He has a month to pay the fines, and also looks set to face a criminal charge for the insider trading.

FSCA’s Topham says the authority is still investigating Jooste and others who misrepresented financial information at Steinhoff, to hold them individually responsible for these transgressions. Fin24 reports that their findings will be announced in April 2021.


Edited by Tom, 01 November 2020 - 07:14 PM.

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Posted 30 October 2020 - 09:13 PM

There should be no insulting here, if you are pro steinhoff go long, if u anti go short. If you looking for a payout go ascendis haha
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Posted 30 October 2020 - 05:41 PM

DTD

You dragging this out is distracting from the actual topic.

I cannot recall anything Zanme said that’s illegal. He has a right to his opinion.

Also, I did have a similar discussion with Zanme and other persons on here.
You are overly sensitive and seems to look for ways to make things about yourself and/or personal and I’m not willing to enter into a further discussion with you. It’s not constructive.

Now can we please stop this and focus on Steinhoff.

I am not sensitity just will not take abuse or allow people to abuse/insult others. You stop this I will stop but if you want to continue I am more then ready for people like you,


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