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#5861 BradH

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Posted 29 October 2020 - 01:43 PM

 

Accountancy firm Deloitte has reached a settlement with investor organization European Investors-VEB about the major fraud scandal at South African furniture giant Steinhoff. According to the parties, how much money is involved cannot yet be released.

It has been agreed with Deloitte in the Netherlands that the firm, together with the South African branch of Deloitte, will make an offer to duped investors. For this, certain conditions must still be met. Further details of the deal are still classified.

Steinhoff, the largest home furnishing store in the world after Ikea, got into financial difficulties several years ago, after an accounting fraud came to light. The stock market value of the company subsequently plummeted and investors went on board for billions.

European Investors-VEB then argued that Deloitte had been negligent in its supervision of the retail group's finances. As a result, Steinhoff's annual accounts would not have provided a fair picture of the situation at the company. Deloitte ultimately accepts no liability in the settlement.

Last summer, Steinhoff himself also came up with a compensation proposal to handle claims worldwide. In total, this involved approximately 1 billion dollars, while the damage suffered by many parties would amount to more than 8 billion dollars. The group reimburses duped investors up to EUR 266 million

 

 

I thought there already was an offer and the last few months they have been trying to get everyone to agree on the terms? Am I missing something?


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#5862 Sleepwa123

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Posted 29 October 2020 - 01:35 PM

Accountancy firm Deloitte has reached a settlement with investor organization European Investors-VEB about the major fraud scandal at South African furniture giant Steinhoff. According to the parties, how much money is involved cannot yet be released.

It has been agreed with Deloitte in the Netherlands that the firm, together with the South African branch of Deloitte, will make an offer to duped investors. For this, certain conditions must still be met. Further details of the deal are still classified.

Steinhoff, the largest home furnishing store in the world after Ikea, got into financial difficulties several years ago, after an accounting fraud came to light. The stock market value of the company subsequently plummeted and investors went on board for billions.

European Investors-VEB then argued that Deloitte had been negligent in its supervision of the retail group's finances. As a result, Steinhoff's annual accounts would not have provided a fair picture of the situation at the company. Deloitte ultimately accepts no liability in the settlement.

Last summer, Steinhoff himself also came up with a compensation proposal to handle claims worldwide. In total, this involved approximately 1 billion dollars, while the damage suffered by many parties would amount to more than 8 billion dollars. The group reimburses duped investors up to EUR 266 million


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#5863 DayTraderDad

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Posted 29 October 2020 - 10:59 AM

Again you're insulting people that post good posts and trying to push him out of this forum like you did to many previous good posters, so that you and your gang can post all the "POSITIVE" bull posts, that caused you, them and others huge losses.

 

Ya, and from the other side keep encouraging your gang of super duper longs to keep posting their "POSITIVE" posts, to keep all the losing morals high.

 

How do you feel when you know that part of the reason why the number of bag holders on this share is growing and growing is actually your SELF CONFIDENT "POSITIVE" BUT FALSE POSTS combined with revolting SUPER POSITIVE BEHAVIOR on this forum.

You are incorrect I already challanged Zanme to show us what he would do so diferent and like yourself always lots of bla bla not concrete responce with the very least minimum of figures to show why you post such posts. Surely you must agree we cannot keep insulting LDP everyday with out one single piece of evidence!!!


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#5864 DayTraderDad

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Posted 29 October 2020 - 10:56 AM

DTD , please keep to constructive. Your responses are often uncalled for. (I am sure I speak for most) 

Hi Bubble this goes both ways I feel that Zanme has no right to keep on insulting LDP and SNH unless he can come up with concrete prove. Further he also has no right to continue bashing LDP daily on this forum we heard him we know his opinions so is time he stops. I am a pround owner of SNH shares and support the management therefore I will not stop responding to insults to management. I sincerely hope you understand!!!!


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Posted 29 October 2020 - 10:56 AM

Haha Zanme first I thought you were ripped off by LDP, then thought you are a bitter person because of your losses but now start to think you have a mental issue!!! SNH is going to detroiy your health best sell before its to late and you landup in greondakies!!!

Again you're insulting people that post good posts and trying to push him out of this forum like you did to many previous good posters, so that you and your gang can post all the "POSITIVE" bull posts, that caused you, them and others huge losses.

 

Ya, and from the other side keep encouraging your gang of super duper longs to keep posting their "POSITIVE" posts, to keep all the losing morals high.


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Posted 29 October 2020 - 10:49 AM

Haha Zanme first I thought you were ripped off by LDP, then thought you are a bitter person because of your losses but now start to think you have a mental issue!!! SNH is going to detroiy your health best sell before its to late and you landup in greondakies!!!

 

DTD , please keep to constructive. Your responses are often uncalled for. (I am sure I speak for most) 


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#5867 DayTraderDad

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Posted 29 October 2020 - 10:38 AM

Steinhoff is like a government entity corruption on corruption. With PIC being its biggest shareholder. Listening to Louis is like listening to the finance minister.

Haha Zanme first I thought you were ripped off by LDP, then thought you are a bitter person because of your losses but now start to think you have a mental issue!!! SNH is going to detroiy your health best sell before its to late and you landup in greondakies!!!


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#5868 DayTraderDad

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Posted 29 October 2020 - 10:35 AM

In Steinhoff news...

 

The 3 week period for creditor approval is ending tomorrow. They did say "approximately" 3 weeks though.

I think this news will put some positive sentiment back into the share. Fingers crossed!

Hey Sleepwa 123 your comments has moved  MR. MARKET SNH nicely up. Hahaha the power of this forum!!!


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Posted 29 October 2020 - 10:33 AM

Steinhoff is like a government entity corruption on corruption. With PIC being its biggest shareholder. Listening to Louis is like listening to the finance minister.
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Posted 29 October 2020 - 09:49 AM

[quote name="Lionelza1" post="293691" timestamp="1603956451"]

Is it carved in stone this share will fall, hell no.

Snh does have good businesses, but the business alone is not going to get them outta trouble and turn share price around. All eyes are on management. That is the ONLY team that will turn this ship around.

And in my opinion from following them for the past 2 yrs or so, they are a bunch of lying useless idiots :D[/quot

Agreed 100 percent
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#5871 Lionelza1

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Posted 29 October 2020 - 09:27 AM

So what I've learnt on this forum, and I was selective in what info I decided to take in so this is 100% opiniated.

1- Mr market prices in everything
2- buy the rumor sell the fact
3- share doesn't fall in a straight line

So if I go by that, Mr market has priced in everything, the base is Pollys big fat zero, everytime facts come out by means of sens snh releases, Mr market sells, not because of covid, not because of brexit, not because of Mr Trump.

And this is the story im seeing from market trend.

TIME for another green beer haha


Is it carved in stone this share will fall, hell no.

Snh does have good businesses, but the business alone is not going to get them outta trouble and turn share price around. All eyes are on management. That is the ONLY team that will turn this ship around.

And in my opinion from following them for the past 2 yrs or so, they are a bunch of lying useless idiots :D
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#5872 Lionelza1

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Posted 29 October 2020 - 09:15 AM

So what I've learnt on this forum, and I was selective in what info I decided to take in so this is 100% opiniated.

1- Mr market prices in everything
2- buy the rumor sell the fact
3- share doesn't fall in a straight line

So if I go by that, Mr market has priced in everything, the base is Pollys big fat zero, everytime facts come out by means of sens snh releases, Mr market sells, not because of covid, not because of brexit, not because of Mr Trump.

And this is the story im seeing from market trend.

TIME for another green beer haha
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#5873 Sleepwa123

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Posted 29 October 2020 - 09:03 AM

In Steinhoff news...

 

The 3 week period for creditor approval is ending tomorrow. They did say "approximately" 3 weeks though.

I think this news will put some positive sentiment back into the share. Fingers crossed!


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#5874 KP7

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Posted 29 October 2020 - 08:58 AM

Kp how can we blame ourselves for mismanagement. I contacted Steinhoff at the beginning of this and advised them against consultants. So I don't understand. The only guy that was right on here was Polly he was a bear. Daddy we don't want to know about DELTA. He was removed by the HAPPY CLAPPERS.

If I knew how to manage a multinational company, steer it through an unprecedented event, I wouldn’t be here on this forum and with all due respect, You wouldn’t be either. 
We can have an opinion, however, we still don’t know every internal detail to make a firm judgment.

As I said on many occasions, I don’t care about what XYZ earns. 
There is no given right that an instrument increases in value, it is a risk we take based on our very own analysis and not on someone from a forum. 


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#5875 Zanme

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Posted 29 October 2020 - 08:34 AM

Kp how can we blame ourselves for mismanagement. I contacted Steinhoff at the beginning of this and advised them against consultants. So I don't understand. The only guy that was right on here was Polly he was a bear. Daddy we don't want to know about DELTA. He was removed by the HAPPY CLAPPERS.
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Posted 29 October 2020 - 08:27 AM

Another lesson for newbies.....

Selling rallies in a downtrend and buying dips in an uptrend only lasts until a point when the market decides to turn. Real Investors know that this happens when there’s a supply and demand imbalance.
There’s also something called risk to reward which real investors calculate when buying or selling.
For me, I decided there’s less reward in selling something that’s already sold to the ground.

 

Make decisions based on your own analysis, have a reason to buy or sell and most of all, execute your plan through a process. 

 

Having read through some older posts from 2019, it seems a select few have an agenda. Blame everyone one but themselves and create a toxic environment.

 

If you long or short this share, post information on why. After all, we need both bulls and bears to make a market.
 

 


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#5877 Zanme

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Posted 29 October 2020 - 08:15 AM

And recently I seen a member asking to send bank details to buy shares.... Hahaha aba have I seen it all... Probably another one playing with monopoly money

Dear mémber, Kindly offer me same, I will be more than glad to pump this share with YOUR money


Lionel I agree with you. This was one of my monumental investment mistakes. I am really beginning to question the motives of some of these guys. I too followed these comments and bought with the optimism fed here. I don't blame anyone here. This share has become so irrelevant that Warren Buffet can buy it out with interest earned on his cash balance for one day. Its depressing. Delta how do I make contact with you for you to reimburse me?
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Posted 29 October 2020 - 08:01 AM

And recently I seen a member asking to send bank details to buy shares.... Hahaha aba have I seen it all... Probably another one playing with monopoly money

Dear mémber, Kindly offer me same, I will be more than glad to pump this share with YOUR money


Lionel I agree with you. This was one of my monumental investment mistakes. I am really beginning to question the motives of some of these guys. I too followed these comments and bought with the optimism fed here. I don't blame anyone here. This share has become so irrelevant that Warren Buffet can buy it out with interest earned on his cash balance for one day. Its depressing. Delta how do I make contact with you for you to reimburse me?
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#5879 Lionelza1

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Posted 29 October 2020 - 05:24 AM


Problem with my game plan is the monies I have to outlay again on this share..... Eish


And recently I seen a member asking to send bank details to buy shares.... Hahaha aba have I seen it all... Probably another one playing with monopoly money

Dear mémber, Kindly offer me same, I will be more than glad to pump this share with YOUR money
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Posted 29 October 2020 - 04:59 AM

And newbies, if you haven't picked up the trend already, check the pumpers when there's the next spike, they will come out and post presumably why snh is a good buy, the problem over and over and over again is that the spike is short lived as it will be followed by a dump and then the slow poison.

And then when that happens, the same pumpers will report on any excuse as to why price is dumping!

Mr market will suck you in and spit you out, this trend has been happening for over a yr now!

So much info has come out since the scandal.... So much, but we're sitting at a piss willy 70 odd cents.... Please spare the bull dear pumpers


Yea I forgot to mention they will start talking about resistant levels, they see R1. 20, then next resistant R1. 80, then R4. 00

What a joke.

This forum has taught me Alot tho. Eing patient is one of them and the other don't be greedy.

So when the 50c comes I might get greedy and patient for the 40c to buy to lower my avg and then get out haha

Problem with my game plan is the monies I have to outlay again on this share..... Eish
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