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#6701 Everlearning

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Posted 06 July 2020 - 05:07 PM

Andi, what you hypothesize could well be the strategy they are following and a very clever move if there is any truth in it.

 

Makes complete sense as it would explain the lack of enthusiasm or the language used in press announcements which has been nothing but boringly clinical. Under normal circumstances, managements tend to always paint rosy pictures of the future, in spite of hardships they may be suffering. Steinhoff however have chosen not to. 

 

I agree with your summation, balance sheet is going to look a lot different when they have settled with the 'ankle biting' issues.

 

I think we are in for some great news shortly which will then free them up to be able to sell the future of Steinhoff.


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Posted 06 July 2020 - 04:46 PM

Follow some of Andi's posts and you will see what they have achieved in what was a very 'broken' company.

The great thing about "free choice" is that everyone can choose where they want to invest and who they want to back!

If you dont like the jockey, dont back the horse, instead, find one you like!!!

For me, I like the horse, like the jockey, and cant wait for him to open up down the straight and show what he is made of !!!


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Posted 06 July 2020 - 04:42 PM

I was asked whats my bet on the equity value of Steinhoff by DTD, I also wanted to share my opinion here to hear what you guys think as well:

 

There was an interview with the CFO last week where he said a rights issue is not even an option at the current share price level. I mean at the current share price they would need to issue 20 Billion shares to just get 1 billion € of fresh equity. This will not happen as the dilution would be huge and the number of shares in issue is limited to 17 Billion.

 

As mentioned before in my posts Steinhoff is pleading poverty. They are basically trying to show everyone that they do not have any value left in the company.

Examples:

- MF has been chosen to be equity accounted for. The value at the moment in the books lies at 9 Million €. However we all know that MF after Chapter 11 had an equity of around 1.5 billion $

- Conforama, Management knows that Conforama has a negative equity value of around 1.8 billion €. Why are they still consolidating Conforama. They could have made the decision to also equity account for Conforma. The decision was in the grey area according to IFRS. If Steinhoff would have equity accounted MF an additional 1.8 billion € equity would be on the books of Steinhoff.

- SA property portfolio and hemisphere. They have valued the properties way below current fair values if you have a look at the annual financial statements. Around 0.5 to 1 billion € to low.

- Pepkors share price is kept artificially low to show that its not worth anything. Also the mini issue of shares was to depress the price in my opinion. At the current share price Pepkor is trading at a EBITDA multiple of 5. That is a joke. Back when it was listed it was trading at an EBITDA multiple of 14. 

- Deferral of the IPO of the Pepco Group. This was not because of Corona in my opinion. They are deferring this IPO because they know exactly they will obtain billions and people will be able to see what its worth actually. The growth potential of this company is enormous.

- They have written off basically all of their Goodwill (Just kept Pepkor and Pepco) and immaterial assets even though they where not required to. Again they where in the grey area and made the decision to write down billions.

- Material counter claims- have you noticed that no big claim has been launched against third parties? Yes, they have launched some minor cases against Jooste etc but the amounts where super low. Steinhoff can and will launch legal claims against auditors, banks other advisors etc. Watch out after the global settlement, they want to see how big the amount will be which they will use to draft counter claims.

- Tax related items- Have you heard of anything claiming back taxes yet? No, because they are also deferring this because all the write offs will lead to huge tax claims for prior periods. Watch out for this after the global settlement. They have just included the a disclaimer in the audit report that tax items still need to be solved surprise surprise.

- many more points to consider as well.

 

I think this month is the absolute best time to get this global settlement under the table. I cannot see them pushing the value on the books lower then it currently is. It was also no surprise to me that they have moved the announcement of HJ 1 2020 results to end of July. Also it was crucial that the first shareholder claim was won by Steinhoff last month.

 

Again this is just my personal view. We can only wait and see what happens. What do you guys think?


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Posted 06 July 2020 - 04:37 PM

You reward the golden goose when they lay the eggs. Not before that. In my opinion I can't see anything tangible being achieved. They blew millions on consultants etc. There will be no value add from the PWC findings there will be no value add from lawyers and that's all that they have done is paid consultants to do their work. Yes if the share price recovered and the company is profitable than one can say that they achieved something. There is no way that the company will recover a cent from Markus the only guys that will make money out of all of this will be management consultants and lawyers.
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Posted 06 July 2020 - 04:18 PM

Hi Zanme,

 

Given the mammoth task at hand, what they have been able to achieve, (and the calibre of the Team), I dont have any problem with the 'salary' bill.

We all agree that the current market cap is ridiculous and is simply a reflection of market sentiment and ignorance rather than a reflection of the true underlying value and potential.  If they successfully turn this around (which they are well on their way to doing), I would gladly pay them massive  additional bonuses !!! 

"Don't kill the goose that lays the golden eggs" !!!


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Posted 06 July 2020 - 04:05 PM

Why would you sell at R3-5 if you can hold on to relist at R35? In case of delisting you don't need to sell. Your shares just won't be easily tradeable during delisted status...


Management's salaries given the state of the company are crazy. Around EURO 30 million with a market cap of EUR 258 million. They need to realize what they are there for and that is to create value for shareholders and not sort themselves and consultants out.
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Posted 06 July 2020 - 04:02 PM

Not to forget the Chairman allowed, approved and invested in a deal with a massive primium 115%. Now wants existing shareholders to pay the money back!!!


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Posted 06 July 2020 - 01:32 PM

I think there were a few margin calls and forced sales. Also reading steinhoff sens... Again see their wording it is as if they deliberately want to supress the share price
They definately want to consider a delisting offer and then either a relishing or a break up..... They have no other reason. This is not ludicrous. Management opportunism.
Delist cheap and relist at a multiple and hand equity to settle claims.
We should hold and load as this strategy in any event plays to us as shareholders. I will sell only at a minimum of r3-R5 which sets the 4 billion shares at a measly billion usd... Give or take..
Relisting at R35........ See the play.....
Cheaper to buyout existing shareholders then to settle.
This way can also hand equity to debt holders.... Lots of room to manoevre without shareholder permissions. Etc....
I expect this is being posture and will be at agm..

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Why would you sell at R3-5 if you can hold on to relist at R35?  In case of delisting you don't need to sell.  Your shares just won't be easily tradeable during delisted status...


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Posted 06 July 2020 - 01:02 PM

I think there were a few margin calls and forced sales. Also reading steinhoff sens... Again see their wording it is as if they deliberately want to supress the share price
They definately want to consider a delisting offer and then either a relishing or a break up..... They have no other reason. This is not ludicrous. Management opportunism.
Delist cheap and relist at a multiple and hand equity to settle claims.
We should hold and load as this strategy in any event plays to us as shareholders. I will sell only at a minimum of r3-R5 which sets the 4 billion shares at a measly billion usd... Give or take..
Relisting at R35........ See the play.....
Cheaper to buyout existing shareholders then to settle.
This way can also hand equity to debt holders.... Lots of room to manoevre without shareholder permissions. Etc....
I expect this is being posture and will be at agm..

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Posted 06 July 2020 - 12:56 PM

Hi Polla,

 

Where did you see this ???

In April Titan held around 190,00,000 shares, and end June that was down to around 119,000,000 shares


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Posted 06 July 2020 - 12:54 PM

Hi Polla,

 

Where did you see this ???

On Timbukone.... https://www.companyshareholders.com/


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Posted 06 July 2020 - 12:44 PM

Hi Polla,

 

Where did you see this ???


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Posted 06 July 2020 - 11:05 AM

Nice IN....whats your views on CSG Holdings ? dont see a thread for that....my apologies for hijacking this thread to get some info...

 

If there is no thread, create one. Messages like this can sometimes get lost in other threads.


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Posted 06 July 2020 - 10:29 AM

Has anyone noticed that Titan Investments/Wiese offloaded 40% of their shareholding in snh during the last two months?


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Posted 06 July 2020 - 10:02 AM

Picked up a massive amount at 1.05

Get ready for the continued pump especially with fr, this is a Rand hedge as well.... Have now my big piles in snh and ascendis....again both high risk devalued shares... And both have big upside...
Apart from my low risk broad investments.

Dumped eoh and hope to buy their again in 3 months

Nice pump.... Pls dont take my advice as a qualified financial expert. Actually a lousy investor....

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Nice IN....whats your views on CSG Holdings ? dont see a thread for that....my apologies for hijacking this thread to get some info...
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Posted 06 July 2020 - 09:42 AM

Picked up a massive amount at 1.05

Get ready for the continued pump especially with fr, this is a Rand hedge as well.... Have now my big piles in snh and ascendis....again both high risk devalued shares... And both have big upside...
Apart from my low risk broad investments.

Dumped eoh and hope to buy their again in 3 months

Nice pump.... Pls dont take my advice as a qualified financial expert. Actually a lousy investor....

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Posted 06 July 2020 - 09:19 AM

Hmmmm. Say what you will, but this time is different.

No pump leading to results and a (temporary???) spike after results.
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Posted 05 July 2020 - 07:26 PM

The merger between the two rival brands (Conforama and But) will weigh 25% of the French furniture market, estimated at 13 billion euros (so will thus pass Ikea).
 
Mobilux (But) will settles the slate with suppliers, laid off workers and re-injects fresh money to turn around Conforama, in the order of 200 million euros.
 
Conforama merger decision is expected within 25 working days.

Edited by Tom, 05 July 2020 - 07:27 PM.

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Posted 05 July 2020 - 06:47 PM

Conforama deal news: https://www.autorite...-autorite-de-la


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Posted 05 July 2020 - 06:46 PM

Conforama deal news: https://www.autorite...-autorite-de-la


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