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#7201 andi222

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Posted 06 February 2020 - 11:42 AM

Andy, your wisdom please.

 

Lets assume they settle 20% of the claimed value.

 

Sell Pepco in full for 4.5 Bil EUR.

 

Settle the debt with the Pepco money and what else they sold.

 

What is the NAV?

 

Hi Bubble, I still hope that Pepco is not sold as a whole group. I rather hope that all this hype regarding the bids and price etc will help at the IPO of Pepco Group. I mean they have done so much in the background to prepare for a listing why now sell the whole group? 

 

Yes it would be beneficial to get the 4.5 Billion euro now but that wouldn't help Steinhoff at all. They would be sitting on a huge cash balance until end of Dec 2021 when they are allowed to repay the debt. I thus hope they IPO around 25-30% now and if they really need cash they could raise this by an accelerated book build closer to the Dec 2021 by selling off more. 

 

As seen with Pepkor dividends they do not want more cash at the moment, thus they have opted for the scrip dividends. I think that they will sell off these additional scrip dividends shares closer to the end of 2021. 

 

I have posted my prediction back in August with the possible NAV for Jan 2022:

I think management is following this plan. I wrote this up beginning of August last year. I now added in blue what happened so far:

 

"So I personally think the following will happen until the end of 2021:

Net debt lies at 9,1 Billion @ 10% p.a. for 3 years we will sit at around 11.5 Billion debt at the end of Dez 2021. No change yet

I think selling Unitrans will bring 500 Million - Unitrans sold - Proceeds not released yet

Selling the Hemisphere properties another 800 Million - Can't find much info on this. However I think they where sold

EBITDA from the operating entities for 3 years: 2,5 Billion (Assuming they keep 71% of Pepkor Europe) - 2019 to be release soon (However expecting about 900 Million EBITDA excl. MF). This might even be higher

Selling Greenlit 500 Million - Half of Greenlit sold, I'm expecting an announcement soon that other half will be sold off as well. Proceeds not yet released - Possible IPO of remaining unit - 1 Billion Dollar was mentioned in an article

IPO Pepkor Europe and sell 29% will bring 1,2 Billion - This will happen at the end of this year, hope they will not IPO more then 29%. Now IPO of 29% would lead to 1.4 Billion €

Other- Can't give an exact number but might bring some Euros. Smaller sales where made, however I have no amounts

 

So taking all these steps Steinhoff would sit at 6 Billion debt by the end of 2021. Which would be refinanced by way better terms given the SUM of Parts value. I still think that 6 Billion debt is sustainable for Steinhoff in the long run at reasonable interest rates

 

By 2021 I would think that the businesses have the following Value: (Valuation is based on different EBITDA multiples)

Pepkor EU: 3,2 Billion (71%) I see this at 4 Billion now already

STAR: 4 Billion (71%) 

Confo: 1 Billion (45%)

Mattress: 1.1 Billion (45%)

Greenlit : IPO of 0,7 Billion possible?

Total SUM-PARTS VALUE of Steinhoff holdings = 9,3 Billion. I still see this as reasonable for the end of 2021. Given the new information I would see this at 10.8 Billion €

 

So at the end of 2021 they would have a serious good asset base to get cheaper loans. 

 

Biggest Issue are the legal claims which are the main focus now from management so hopefully we won'T see too many settlements and if there are settlements that these are shared between auditors banks etc. 

Here I hope a solution will be found in due course. Hopefully the white knight refers to a thrid party which will also be liable to settle any claims. (Banks, auditors, advisers etc.) I still do believe tho that the total claim will lie around 0.5 and 1 Billion € for Steinhoff.

 

Even though we haven't heard anything new since November 2019 from management. One can see there is substantial progress being made at all levels. 

The above is just my opinion and no recommendation to buy or sell Steinhoff shares.

 

That is my latest opinion on Steinhoff. 


Edited by andi222, 06 February 2020 - 11:44 AM.

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#7202 Lionelza1

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Posted 06 February 2020 - 11:09 AM

Guess u out b4 u stepped in...


I'm waiting patiently to get in again... This share sucker punched me way too many times

When I see market confidence and progress within snh is when I buy in again...for me legal battle is key
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Posted 06 February 2020 - 10:55 AM

Then the dump... Still no confidence

Guess u out b4 u stepped in...


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Posted 06 February 2020 - 10:51 AM

Dump only by speculative traders. The base is reset and the company is delivering as promised... Will see more pump and dumps but this time with every session we should see the base formi g higher...

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The dump hasn't stopped as far as I can tell, So still early days... I'm guessing by 2morrow it's under R1 again as I haven't seen their situation change much

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Posted 06 February 2020 - 10:29 AM

Dump only by speculative traders. The base is reset and the company is delivering as promised... Will see more pump and dumps but this time with every session we should see the base formi g higher...

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Posted 06 February 2020 - 10:16 AM

Will buy 2morrow, I expect to see some profit taking.... Huge profits to take.... Well done to u guys for holding


Then the dump... Still no confidence
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Posted 06 February 2020 - 10:12 AM

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Posted 05 February 2020 - 09:06 PM


On the website for snh class action suit.. Lists defendents and directors implicated.... This is a massive list..... Eg..
Defendant Companies: Genesis International Holdings N.V. , Deloitte & Touche Group Service (Pty) Ltd, Standard Chartered Bank, Rodl & Partners, Steinhoff Secretarial Services (Pty) Ltd, Southern View Finance UK Limited, Campion Capital, Commerzbank Aktiengesellschaft , Commerzbank Aktiengesellschaft , Commerzbank Aktiengesellschaft , PSG Capital, Steinhoff International Holdings, Steinhoff International Holdings N.V.


How long wpuld auch acase take and would all companies and directors share in the claim settlement....

Cant find anything on the web on legal progress...


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Posted 05 February 2020 - 02:20 PM

And there is the reassurance and volumes... Pump and dump... Paumo akd dump

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Posted 05 February 2020 - 01:59 PM

Expect a dump, but would be good to see if it levels off and there is still an uptake... Whixh sets up a base for anoyher pum heading towards end feb

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Posted 05 February 2020 - 10:30 AM

Apologies - I am not sure why it quoted so many times.  It was late for me to edit and remove the post.


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Posted 05 February 2020 - 10:12 AM

If volume holds for next two weeks we could be seeing doubling. Apart from financial turnaround... It would be rather interesting if there is some movement on legal front and existing shareholders or those that sued and are aware of settlement buying shares.... Would that be insider trading...

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Poundland owner Pepco first quarter revenue jumps 13%

 

If volume holds for next two weeks we could be seeing doubling. Apart from financial turnaround... It would be rather interesting if there is some movement on legal front and existing shareholders or those that sued and are aware of settlement buying shares.... Would that be insider trading...

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Poundland owner Pepco first quarter revenue jumps 13%

 

I was thinking about what you said - when shares are on discount ppl complain about the loss they making and when its high they complain about how expensive it is.......

 

IT IS SO FITTING FOR THIS SHARE RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

:)

 

 

I am just glad I held on

 

If volume holds for next two weeks we could be seeing doubling. Apart from financial turnaround... It would be rather interesting if there is some movement on legal front and existing shareholders or those that sued and are aware of settlement buying shares.... Would that be insider trading...

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Poundland owner Pepco first quarter revenue jumps 13%


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Posted 05 February 2020 - 10:07 AM

I was thinking about what you said - when shares are on discount ppl complain about the loss they making and when its high they complain about how expensive it is.......

IT IS SO FITTING FOR THIS SHARE RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I am just glad I held on


If volume holds for next two weeks we could be seeing doubling. Apart from financial turnaround... It would be rather interesting if there is some movement on legal front and existing shareholders or those that sued and are aware of settlement buying shares.... Would that be insider trading...

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Posted 05 February 2020 - 10:04 AM

Not the first time with this share. 

 

SNH is like the crazy girlfriend you had in your early 20s. You knew she was wrong for you, but gerdamn was she a roller coaster ride that you didn't wanna let go of. 

I was thinking about what you said - when shares are on discount ppl complain about the loss they making and when its high they complain about how expensive it is.......

 

IT IS SO FITTING FOR THIS SHARE RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

:)

 

 

I am just glad I held on


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Posted 05 February 2020 - 09:59 AM

Volume holding up in EU

 

Lets hope this continues until 16:00 when the USA wakes up, they take it further.

 

Then pray for it to last until 10pm, wait for the JSE to wake up the next morning.

 

The MADNESS!

If the volumes can hold should expect a sustained double digit increase, however this share is unpredictable and may see massive pump or dump... Be cautious short term.... Could this share reach r4????????

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Posted 05 February 2020 - 09:52 AM

Any1 buying lol?


Fckn flying
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Posted 05 February 2020 - 09:50 AM

Any1 buying lol?

 

 

 


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Posted 05 February 2020 - 09:39 AM

Andy, your wisdom please.

 

Lets assume they settle 20% of the claimed value.

 

Sell Pepco in full for 4.5 Bil EUR.

 

Settle the debt with the Pepco money and what else they sold.

 

What is the NAV?


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Posted 05 February 2020 - 12:38 AM

1. Pepkor and Pepco looks good. Should be able to aggressively start expanding.
2. Mattressfirm is looking much better?
3. Other units are being sorted or sold
4. Legal claims will be quantifiable soon (this is probably a reason for share price jump?)

Looks like there’s a lot less uncertainty left... good for investors
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Posted 04 February 2020 - 09:18 PM

If the volumes can hold should expect a sustained double digit increase, however this share is unpredictable and may see massive pump or dump... Be cautious short term.... Could this share reach r4????????

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