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Posted 23 April 2019 - 06:29 PM

Hi In,

Quoting part of Tom post
". Importantly, the South African class action represents the
most comprehensive proceeding against wrongdoers, with over 30 named parties which we seek
compensation from, including Steinhoff, over 20 past and present "

Status report on class action litigation.


Thanks. This is interesting. Be good to itemise. There could be additional defendents post pwc report. Hypothetically we should list this assign some share of responsibility and then assume worst case the court orders full reperations of r120 billion... Snh could by r5billion or r20 billion. Not that it matters or is plausible but we could have some high road, low road scenarios.
Snh in turn may also sue for their own loss based on some of the costs thus far and the loss from the court case. Just a thought.. Pls not a pump or dump.. Just trying to get a sense of what may be common knowledge for creditors, hence the bet and willingness to restructure.
Be good to get snhs point of view or some guidance on their strategy going forward as part of the chairmans report


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Posted 23 April 2019 - 05:56 PM

Hi In,

Quoting part of Tom post
". Importantly, the South African class action represents the
most comprehensive proceeding against wrongdoers, with over 30 named parties which we seek
compensation from, including Steinhoff, over 20 past and present "

Status report on class action litigation.
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Posted 23 April 2019 - 05:35 PM

This cheapskate south African went in there and bought lot 1 pound big toblerone..awesome..is crappy shop but hec busy
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Posted 23 April 2019 - 04:28 PM

[quote name="ESS" post="285597" timestamp="1556018462"][quote name="DayTraderDad" post="285594" timestamp="1556012725"]Tom I have said many times now I personally don't care if people buy or sell SNH that's their own responsibility.
I joined this forum to exchange information and get different peoples point of view further like the great posts Captain has posted
also have the view point that nothing that is posted in this forum will influence the share price.

I have not problem you and Polly and other having a deep hate for SNH but just try to be truthful and no need to continue
to shove down our throats your negativity. Surely even you can finds maybe something good in SNH!!!

We now have all heard SNH is a PONZI, SNH going to ZERO etc so how many more times must we get told the same thing!!![/quote
Now the next thing after the release of the financials (and big if IF it happens on promised date), is the law suits. Note here SNH is 1 out of 30 defendants. My money is that you will see SNH will try to get deal to protect current shareholders passing claims on to 29 remaining defendants.[/quote]

Can we unpack the legal puzzle. Are there 30 defendants? Do you have a list, we kno bankers that listed snh sure, but would be good to get a sense of all in the boat? Have you been through all the filings? I dont recall snh stating that deloitte will be a defendant???

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Posted 23 April 2019 - 02:06 PM

Cheapskate Brits appear to love their Poundland MVNOs as UK's big four snubbed in survey again
Giffgaff tops satisfaction ratings, Vodafone brings up the rear

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Posted 23 April 2019 - 01:21 PM

[quote name="DayTraderDad" post="285594" timestamp="1556012725"]Tom I have said many times now I personally don't care if people buy or sell SNH that's their own responsibility.
I joined this forum to exchange information and get different peoples point of view further like the great posts Captain has posted
also have the view point that nothing that is posted in this forum will influence the share price.

I have not problem you and Polly and other having a deep hate for SNH but just try to be truthful and no need to continue
to shove down our throats your negativity. Surely even you can finds maybe something good in SNH!!!

We now have all heard SNH is a PONZI, SNH going to ZERO etc so how many more times must we get told the same thing!!![/quote
Now the next thing after the release of the financials (and big if IF it happens on promised date), is the law suits. Note here SNH is 1 out of 30 defendants. My money is that you will see SNH will try to get deal to protect current shareholders passing claims on to 29 remaining defendants.
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Posted 23 April 2019 - 11:45 AM

Tom I have said many times now I personally don't care if people buy or sell SNH that's their own responsibility.
I joined this forum to exchange information and get different peoples point of view further like the great posts Captain has posted
also have the view point that nothing that is posted in this forum will influence the share price.

I have not problem you and Polly and other having a deep hate for SNH but just try to be truthful and no need to continue
to shove down our throats your negativity. Surely even you can finds maybe something good in SNH!!!

We now have all heard SNH is a PONZI, SNH going to ZERO etc so how many more times must we get told the same thing!!!
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Posted 23 April 2019 - 11:37 AM

So you want nobody to post any posts other than posts to persuade people to buy and hold this worthless share.
 
You want this chat to be only for your clueless posts, and the likes, and do everything you can to push other posts out of the chat.


Tom for me I enjoy everybody posts that are truthful. It is tiring when a couple of people all they do is hammer the share with selected news and untrue allegations.
If you said there was fraud or irregular accounting in SNH then it would be correct but calling it a Ponzi is not true that is the warped views you and Polly have.

You also keep on posting the same thing over and hover with the juicy parts highlighted in RED so thinking we all stupid and blind.

The reality is you look all the time for negativity to highlight your ideas but forget to keep a balance. What it comes across is a deep hatred for SNH and not balance/informative posting.
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Posted 23 April 2019 - 11:30 AM

Tom both you and Polly have no clue what is the definition of a Ponzi scheme so suggest you go and learn it before posting wild unusefull posts!!!

Captain explained it very well but you continue to choose to ignore knowledge and getting stuck in the same old old stuff.

What is the need you have to continue doing this!!! If it a Ponzi scheme just leave it and go away look for another share to invest!!

 

So you want nobody to post any posts other than posts to persuade people to buy and hold this worthless share.

 

You want this chat to be only for your clueless posts, and the likes, and do everything you can to push other posts out of the chat.


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Posted 23 April 2019 - 11:24 AM

You are the one that's confused.
You think Steinhoff wasn't a kind of Ponzi scheme, and you try to convince people that because there are issues with the claimants, then they cannot claim.
Is it you that's clueless, or do you just want to post lies about Steinhoff, to get people to buy and hold this worthless share, and so the price of the share goes up and you make money.
Apparently, from your posts, you are both clueless and a liar.


Tom both you and Polly have no clue what is the definition of a Ponzi scheme so suggest you go and learn it before posting wild unusefull posts!!!

Captain explained it very well but you continue to choose to ignore knowledge and getting stuck in the same old old stuff.

What is the need you have to continue doing this!!! If it a Ponzi scheme just leave it and go away look for another share to invest!!
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Posted 23 April 2019 - 11:19 AM

Tom you confused listen to the PIC inquiry and you will get to know where and who was the Ponzi Schemes.

You should take a subscription on news24 so you don't have to post old news all the time!!

 

You are the one that's confused.

You think Steinhoff wasn't a kind of Ponzi scheme, and you try to convince people that because there are issues with the claimants, then they cannot claim or their claim cannot hold.

Is it you that's clueless, or do you just want to post lies about Steinhoff, to get people to buy and hold this worthless share, and so the price of the share goes up and you make money.

Apparently, from your posts, you are both clueless and a liar, that cannot stop posting missed up informations and lies (yet you claim that your believe your lies).


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Posted 23 April 2019 - 10:55 AM

Tom you confused listen to the PIC inquiry and you will get to know where and who was the Ponzi Schemes.

You should take a subscription on news24 so you don't have to post old news all the time!!
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Posted 23 April 2019 - 10:55 AM

Wonder when steinhoff is going to start with their law suites.... Perhaps after afs?
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Posted 23 April 2019 - 09:47 AM

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Businessman Jayendra Naidoo announced this week that his Lancaster Group had laid a R12 billion claim against Steinhoff International Holdings, adding to the existing multibillion-rand barrage of lawsuits against the corrupt multinational.
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It involved the PIC lending Lancaster 101 R9.4 billion to buy its initial shares in Steinhoff, but the deal was fortuitously massively restructured in 2017 shortly before the crash of Steinhoff.
At the time Steinhoff was merging African operations and Shoprite to create a new listed company initially called SteinhoffAfrica Retail. After the name Steinhoff became tainted, this company changed its name to Pepkor
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Earlier the PIC also separately acquired 6.35% of Steinhoff directly for the GEPF which was worth R15.5 billion before the crash
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Steinhoff was a Ponzi scheme, and Ponzi schemes end up sequestrated.

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Posted 22 April 2019 - 10:07 AM

Jay Naidoo... Influencer and enricher....what role do you think you had in the single stock risk... In which you empowered the Pic to deal via Lancaster. Irrespective of the outcome.. Hypothetically.. Say steinhoff was kosher and maintained value... How do you demonstrate due diligence and evidence on why you invested here rather than naspers, capitec, top 40 index, etc.

As much as you have a responsibility it would be good for you to get off the moral high ground... As those that self enrich with pensioners money are as much a culprit as those that plunder and steal from our country. I can but berate the fraudsters, and all politicians that spent millions on campaigns littering our streets with posters when every cent could have been used for infrstructure.....

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Posted 20 April 2019 - 05:41 PM

Lancaster launches legal bid to recover funds invested in Steinhoff

 

https://www.fin24.co...inhoff-20190418

 

Lancaster 101 says it has launched legal proceedings against Steinhoff to reclaim the R12bn it invested in the disgraced retail giant.

The empowerment company said the claim stems from "misrepresentations" by Steinhoff which it relied upon when it made the investment in 2016

 

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"Our goal is to ensure that the investments made by our stakeholders, in particular, the Government Employees Pension Fund (GEPF), are recovered and secured. This is our highest priority," he said (Lancaster Chairperson Jayendra Naidoo).

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Posted 20 April 2019 - 05:28 PM

Lancaster launches legal bid to recover funds invested in Steinhoff

 

https://www.fin24.co...inhoff-20190418

 

Lancaster 101 says it has launched legal proceedings against Steinhoff to reclaim the R12bn it invested in the disgraced retail giant.

The empowerment company said the claim stems from "misrepresentations" by Steinhoff which it relied upon when it made the investment in 2016


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Posted 18 April 2019 - 07:55 PM

Haha TOM thinks we stupid and blind!!!!!
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Posted 18 April 2019 - 07:09 PM

 

From:
 
join@steinhoffclassaction.org
 
 
"What is the Class Action Period?"
June 26, 2013 to February 28, 2018.
 
Who can join the class action?
Any institutional investors who purchased stock of Steinhoff International Holdings Limited (South Africa) and/or Steinhoff International Holdings N.V. or any of their affiliates/subsidiaries during the Class Period, on either the Johannesburg or Frankfurt Stock Exchanges.
 
 

 

yawn yawn Tom, please use CNTRL + for disability reading assistance.


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Posted 18 April 2019 - 06:36 PM

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Steinhoff Litigation Update – April 2019
 
To investors represented by the International Steinhoff Litigation Group (ISLG):
Substantial developments have occurred in the collective, multi-jurisdictional litigation efforts against Steinhoff
and other defendants in the various jurisdictions. Further, the recently published summary of the PWC report
and confidential information available to us, validate important allegations in our complaints relating to
company fraud and negligence. As such, we believe that our approach of pursuing certain directors for gross
negligence, the board and Steinhoff itself, for violation of corporate governance obligations, as well as Deloitte
for violation of accounting and auditing standards, all have strong chances of success. The forthcoming
releases of the corrected financial statements for 2015 and 2016, as well as the yet unreleased 2017 and 2018
statements will likely further strengthen our case.
Timeline of cases around the world:
 
South Africa
In the opt-out class action in South Africa, which seeks to represent all shareholders of the old (pre-December
5, 2015) and new Steinhoff, all domestic defendants have been served. Court documents for defendants based
in France, Belgium, Germany and the Netherlands have been sent via international diplomatic channels for
final local service and will be completed imminently. Importantly, the South African class action represents the
most comprehensive proceeding against wrongdoers, with over 30 named parties which we seek
compensation from, including Steinhoff, over 20 past and present directors, and Deloitte.
Various South African authorities are investigating Steinhoff and related parties, and they are constantly
uncovering new pieces of useful information. Presently, the South African Parliament, the South African
Financial Prosecutors (Hawks), the South African Institute of Chartered Accountants (SAICA), the Financial
Sector Conduct Authority’s (FSCA) and the Independent Regulatory Board for Auditors (IRBA) are conducting
investigations into Steinhoff and other defendants. The products of these investigations will prove critical to
litigation efforts in all jurisdictions given that the majority of witnesses and evidence against Steinhoff is to be
found in South Africa.
Timeline of the South African Class Action
• July 29, 2019: Deadline to file supplementary papers (including expert reports regarding accountancy
and corporate governance issues with Steinhoff) for class certification purposes; and
• August 20, 2019: Meeting set to determine hearing schedule for the certification process of the South
African class action between all parties included in the class action. Given the importance of this case,
it is being personally managed by a highly experienced and respected commercial Judge of the
Johannesburg High Court, who, given the cases’ significance, has indicated that he will expedite the
matter through the court system.
 
The Netherlands
Two active cases are currently pending in the Netherlands, while other cases have just been announced or
filed but not served, or also stayed. Our case is currently the only active civil litigation claim against Steinhoff
(SIHNV) and Jooste on behalf of members of the Foundation, i.e. all shareholders, and is proceeding towards
its first hearing in November 2019, which will deal with interim motions.
The second active case is an inquiry proceeding before the Amsterdam Enterprise Chamber, which was
initiated by another group of shareholder representatives. The Enterprise Chamber may investigate potential
mismanagement; this does not determine liability of Steinhoff, but determines facts underlying mismanagement
which can be used in civil cases by all parties to the inquiry proceeding. The ISLG, through its Foundation, has
intervened as an interested party in this proceeding to ensure it can use facts from the investigation for its
benefit.
Timeline of Foundation Class Action
• March 13, 2019: Parties agreed on a case management schedule covering all phases of the
proceedings.
• April 10, 2019: SIHNV has filed ancillary objections (jurisdiction, competence, etc.) concerning
jurisdiction / admissibility of Foundation. Jooste has submitted framework/table of contents of ancillary
objections to SIHNV and Foundation;
• May 8, 2019: Jooste to file ancillary objections concerning jurisdiction and, possibly, inadmissibility of
Foundation;
• June 5, 2019: Foundation to file a statement of defence regarding the ancillary objections (and,
possibly, ancillary claim for the purpose of compulsory disclosure of evidence (exhibitieplicht);
• July 17, 2019: SIHNV to file a statement of defence in ancillary objections (if relevant); SIHNV and
Jooste (possibly) to file ancillary claims concerning permission to serve a third-party notice on other
parties (vrijwaring) / forced intervention of a third party (gedwongen tussenkomst);
• November 11, 2019: Oral hearings;
• Subject to the court calendar (early 2020): Decision on ancillary objections.
 
Germany
Since December 2017, approximately 50 lawsuits before 17 different chambers, have been filed against
Steinhoff in the Lower Regional Court of Frankfurt. Several chambers have already publicly declared
applications for a model case under the German Capital Markets Model Case Act (KapMuG) admissible,
hence, it is expected that the Lower Regional Court of Frankfurt will order the matter referred to the Higher
Regional Court of Frankfurt for the establishment of the model case in May/June 2019, followed by a
subsequent appointment of a model case plaintiff. We expect the model case plaintiff to come from our group,
which is the largest and most numerous in Germany. After the public announcement of the model case plaintiff
and within a period of 6 months after this, claims of aggrieved investors may be registered with the Higher
Regional Court of Frankfurt.
Timeline of the Model Case
• May/June 2019: Order to refer the matter to the Higher Regional Court of Frankfurt;
• September 2019: Selection of model case plaintiff/beginning of 6-month deadline for claim registration;
• January2020: Start of the model case proceeding and oral hearings before the Higher Regional Court
of Frankfurt.
 
As our cases against Steinhoff proceed in the different jurisdictions, the pressure on the company, and
implicated third parties such as the directors and auditors, increases substantially. We believe the combined
efforts of the Foundation and ISLG put the Group in the best position to demand negotiation and a speedy
resolution of the matter, as well as offering a multi-jurisdictional platform to resolve all outstanding litigation with
final, binding effect. In effect, we believe the Group is the only vehicle by which all risk in the different
jurisdictions can be wiped off the table for the defendants – a critical factor for any defendant thinking of
settling. Joining the ISLG’s effort is still important as size matters for purposes of negotiation leverage. You can
register your support for the ISLG efforts at www.steinhoffclassactions.com. Please contact
investorclaimsagainststeinhoff@drrt.com with any inquiries.

Edited by Tom, 18 April 2019 - 06:41 PM.

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