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#27941 BBW

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 07:43 AM

Depends on your strategy, if you are willing to hold until next friday to catch the whole ride down keep your shorts, with friday afternoon you sometimes have short cover and with Monday being US holiday we normally go up...so I would lock in those profits and have a nice weekend away! B)

 

She tends to return to the broken 60min chart 89 MA that is about 250 points up so she should bounce (B leg up) next week before the last leg © down..but she can always continue south too, your choice!

 

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Thank you Argento; best advice ever! Except, I should have done exactly as you said and closed my positions immediately and not with trailing SL's. Anyway, halved my loss. Now just the emotional game of forgetting about this trade, or actually, as you said, reopen it later today to "resume" my short (and actually consider it one trade, but just being slightly better of than I would have been, had I not "split it up".)

 

Anyway, amazing (to me as a layman) how you read the charts so accurately. One day... (I'll be there too I hope ;))


Edited by BBW, 11 November 2013 - 07:45 AM.

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 07:27 AM

Good morning traders. May we all enjoy major returns on our trades this week!

Been long @ 40 882 overnight. Not yet green, but movement on 5 min chart seems positive. Might take profit and enter again lower if opportunity arises.

Edited by Plasma, 11 November 2013 - 07:29 AM.

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 01:34 AM

Had a great weekend. Got a chance to splash some of the free money i got from the market.

 

I am just buying every dip until end of December. The trick is to find good entry points

 

I'm buying @ 40860 1st, will buy more if it dips

 

Good Luck to buying the dips this week


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#27944 Plasma

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 09:58 PM

evening all

apparently there were some talks going on in the east over the weekend

anyone know anything about it or the outcome

must say im also bullish for tomorrow...but only for the day


This is not the outcome of discussions, but information relevant to it from Marketwatch



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Encouraging economic reports are likely to encourage top Communist Party officials meeting over the weekend to update China’s economic policy.
BEIJING—China posted signs of steady economic growth coupled with modest inflation in October, providing encouraging news on the economy as a key policy meeting of the Communist Party got under way.

Industrial production rose 10.3% year over year in October, beating expectations and September’s 10.2% rate, according to official data released Saturday. Inflation ticked up slightly, to 3.2% from 3.1%, staying within the government’s stated comfort range.

The healthy showing by the industrial sector is a key indicator of the economy’s overall condition and underscores rising demand for China’s exports, said Tao Wang, an economist at UBS.

“Momentum is still pretty strong,” said Wang. “It may not be picking up much, but it’s not slowing either.”

Exports grew 5.6% year over year in October, after a slight fall the previous month, boosted by higher demand from the U.S. and Europe—an indication that a global economic recovery is gaining traction.

“Combined with the better export data in Korea and Taiwan, China’s export numbers suggest some—although not yet decisive—-improvement in global demand momentum,” said Louis Kuijs, an economist at RBS. He said higher exports will be a major engine of growth in the Chinese economy in coming months.

The picture of a steadying economy is likely to cheer policy makers meeting in Beijing to discuss initiatives that the party leadership says will boost consumption and innovation and move away from investment and exports as drivers of growth. Economists say the shift should help sustain growth over the longer term. But the rollout could sap some of the economy’s momentum. So the stronger growth may give Chinese leaders some maneuvering room as they shift economic gears.

China’s gross domestic product growth, after slowing in the second quarter, rebounded to 7.8% in the third on the back of government infrastructure spending and tax cuts. Most economists think economic growth in the final quarter will exceed 7.5%.

In other data released Saturday, retail sales grew 13.3% year over year in October, in line with September, and output of electric power climbed 8.4% from a year ago compared with 8.2% in September.

The producer-price index, which measures prices at the factory gate, was down 1.5% year over year, for the 20th month in a row in negative territory. But it was flat in month-on-month terms, indicating that the deflation which has hammered profits in the industrial sector is easing.

During the policy meeting, which ends Tuesday, officials and state media have said reforms likely to be discussed include liberalizing interest rates, raising prices for water and energy to encourage conservation and allowing a greater role for private capital in competing with a more favored state sector.

Other mooted changes include giving farmers clearer rights to their land and promoting urbanization by offering a better access to social services to the millions of rural migrants living in China’s cities. Such reforms pose a huge administrative challenge and face opposition from within the government.
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Posted 10 November 2013 - 09:12 PM

evening all

 

apparently there were some talks going on in the east over the weekend

 

anyone know anything about it or the outcome

 

must say im also bullish for tomorrow...but only for the day


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Posted 10 November 2013 - 07:01 PM

@ S

Do you use Nikkei and other eastern markets' futures over the weekend, ie Sunday evenings our time....it is now 2 am in Tokyo......??
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Posted 10 November 2013 - 01:34 PM

Well it looks like a very green monday on the cards


Have the same feeling.....if east runs green, then I think a green day for us as well. Do not have a position ATM...but going to book a working order ....going long....
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Posted 10 November 2013 - 10:47 AM

Well it looks like a very green monday on the cards
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Posted 10 November 2013 - 08:47 AM

Still sitting out on the ALSI?

 

Yeah, pretty much ! :)  Still a bit "bang" I think!


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 09:31 AM

R/$ is getting its a&& handed to it!


Still sitting out on the ALSI?
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Posted 09 November 2013 - 07:24 AM


Difficult to believe TOP40 almost dropped a 1000 points since the top yesterday...but November living up to it's volatile reputation!

Should see that friday short cover and bounce into Monday as she dropped hard before we go down again!

Seasonal trend my nr 1 indicator! ^_^

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Thanks for the reminder about short covering on Friday's A!

I see it time and again on a Friday. It was a bit sticky this afternoon and only now just closed out a small long for 150 pts. That 40640 level (IG) is a real tough nut for the bears to crack. I am surprised that there wasn't a much bigger bear squeeze today. I was hoping, yes, hoping, for a much bigger push back up.

Maybe too soon? Nobody got poor making a profit....hey Sunesis?

Well done on that 150 points. Had a long @ 40 665 that was oscillating into green and red up to 1720. Then closed it for a mere 25 points. And not long thereafter the S&P took off....well you know where it ended!
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Posted 08 November 2013 - 11:27 PM

Difficult to believe TOP40 almost dropped a 1000 points since the top yesterday...but November living up to it's volatile reputation!

 

Should see that friday short cover and bounce into Monday as she dropped hard before we go down again!

 

Seasonal trend my nr 1 indicator! ^_^

 

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Thanks for the reminder about short covering on Friday's A!

 

I see it time and again on a Friday. It was a bit sticky this afternoon and only now just closed out a small long for 150 pts. That 40640 level (IG) is a real tough nut for the bears to crack. I am surprised that there wasn't a much bigger bear squeeze today. I was hoping, yes, hoping, for a much bigger push back up.

 

Maybe too soon? Nobody got poor making a profit....hey Sunesis?


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Posted 08 November 2013 - 06:17 PM

Tally for day....points against 320. Reflection.....did not follow standard price action entry rules ito going long....I did not trade with trend today...was still stuck in bull mind frame. Could have reduced points against by being more cautious.
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Posted 08 November 2013 - 05:35 PM

R/$ is getting its a&& handed to it!


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Posted 08 November 2013 - 05:09 PM

Not sure if this is the best way for you, or even possible with whatever platform you're using, but I place a triggered stop loss where I intend to exit, with a limit price quite some margin below that. The idea being that 99% of the time it'll result in a trade at, or near, the trigger, but in cases like today, where there's a big fall occurring, it should result in a trade. If your SL limit price is too close to the trigger, you may end up in a scenario where your order is already priced out of the market when placed.

 

You, of course, have to decide what is a suitable limit, which basically means at what point are you going to hold onto the marker until the world recovers its head.

 

My SL on ALMI hasn't yet triggered, but I expect it will on Monday/Tuesday. Nasty watching the red pile up, but the rules I'm using say keep it, so that's what I'm doing.

 

I'd say, get a system, test it, know what you're risking *before* you open the trade, and then set the stops accordingly. You can then sit back knowing you've already considered anything that might possibly happen during the trade, before your money was actually on the line. You either stop out, at which point you knew beforehand the risk, or you win. No emotion

 

Thanks for the info. It sounds like a good plan. It's time to go back to the drawing board and devise a new strategy. I've learnt much these last few days.


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Posted 08 November 2013 - 05:06 PM

No I haven't. Something about the psychology of investing? 

 

I should probably be more positive. I started trading 3 weeks ago, and in one day I've lost just about everything I made. I'm starting to understand the idea of risk/reward ratios now.

 

Yes, highly highly recommended. read it... twice.

 

I'm still very much learning but this book really helped.


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Posted 08 November 2013 - 04:59 PM

As a side note, how does one set a stop loss to spare themselves from the damage of an opening drop gap like today. Is it possible?

 

Not sure if this is the best way for you, or even possible with whatever platform you're using, but I place a triggered stop loss where I intend to exit, with a limit price quite some margin below that. The idea being that 99% of the time it'll result in a trade at, or near, the trigger, but in cases like today, where there's a big fall occurring, it should result in a trade. If your SL limit price is too close to the trigger, you may end up in a scenario where your order is already priced out of the market when placed.

 

You, of course, have to decide what is a suitable limit, which basically means at what point are you going to hold onto the marker until the world recovers its head.

 

My SL on ALMI hasn't yet triggered, but I expect it will on Monday/Tuesday. Nasty watching the red pile up, but the rules I'm using say keep it, so that's what I'm doing.

 

I'd say, get a system, test it, know what you're risking *before* you open the trade, and then set the stops accordingly. You can then sit back knowing you've already considered anything that might possibly happen during the trade, before your money was actually on the line. You either stop out, at which point you knew beforehand the risk, or you win. No emotion


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Posted 08 November 2013 - 04:56 PM

Well at this stage it appears my take was completely wrong.
Waiting for the US open before making a decision on cutting my new shorts.

Hi SAM, up down we go - for what it is worth here is my take with some help of views from others:

  • \Bears shorted weakness last week, but were forced to cover during this week’s strength.  Then bulls bought the last few days of strength, only to get chased out by todays collapse.  And so the up and down cycle continues
  • Don't count out the dip-buyers -they will buy at every support level eg starting w 1740 - but does not mean it will hold then they sell and do same on lower level or add on higher level
  • Seems to me that markets dont care about the economy nor earnings currently. That is not what is driving them. The markets only care about what the Fed is doing to keep equities propped up. - read Jake's posts - Most of yesterdays US sell-off is on trying to crystal ball and pre-empt what the fed mightdo sooner -  the reality is they have to speak tough and work gently - they have too much invested in the taper plan to be other than spread it thick to make it sure it works well
  • last night S&P broke through 10d MA but neatly supported by 20d MA
  • I am very lightly short - but will only do more short if they break down 1740 closing  
  • Another round of selling will likely push us down to 1740, but that could be where short-term selling exhausts itself and we bounce on tight supply. .Rather than try to catch the falling knife, wait for support.  This selloff could easily take us back to the 50dma or even 1,700.  While I expect a bounce sooner than that though 
  •  But While it is more likely this market will find a bottom in the near-term, we must defend against a larger selloff that takes us further than even the bears expect
  • Traders have relatively small pockets and cause a lot of volatility  - ( the big institutional buyers/sellers have bigger money , and until they jump in with conviction this sell off will fizzle out too)  - so I had my share of chasing the tyres of failed breakouts and breakdowns it only cause me to chase my tail and lose money in the process.
  • Good weekend everyone!

Edited by OceanWalz, 08 November 2013 - 04:59 PM.

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 04:52 PM

 

Difficult to believe TOP40 almost dropped a 1000 points since the top yesterday...but November living up to it's volatile reputation!

 

Should see that friday short cover and bounce into Monday as she dropped hard before we go down again!

 

Seasonal trend my nr 1 indicator! ^_^

 

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 04:44 PM

Difficult to believe TOP40 almost dropped a 1000 points since the top yesterday...but November living up to it's volatile reputation!

 

Should see that friday short cover and bounce into Monday as she dropped hard before we go down again!

 

Seasonal trend my nr 1 indicator! ^_^

 

A


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