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#7441 Captainfrom82

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Posted 02 September 2019 - 02:02 PM

 

The equity value has decreased to less than one half of the paid-up portion of the company’s capital, a situation that requires that a general meeting must be held with shareholders to discuss measures taken to remedy the situation.

The equity value of the company now stands at negative €5.3-billion, or negative €1.24 per share.

The last published equity figure was €16-billion in 2016, before the restatements.

As such, management has made the decision to reduce the nominal value of the shares from the current €0.50 each, to €0.01 each.

The outstanding value of the company will be €43-million once the revaluation takes place,” says Du Preez.

There is still lots of uncertainty in the group and we must manage Steinhoff NV as an investment holding company in order to protect and maximise value for shareholders.”

 

https://www.dailymav...rt-cleaning-up/

 

 

Doesn't sound good to me - what am I missing?

 

 

Hey Nosh,

 

What you are missing is that this is a legal or regulatory  requirement.  Steinhoff has no option but to comply.  In effect, they are saying the nominal share premium is so out of sync with reality that it grossly does not reflect the (net) asset value of the group.

 

However, it is a zero sum game for the total equity.  It should have a zero impact in terms of the overall effect.  However, releasing funds from a non-distributable (share Premium Reserve) to a distributable Reserve (like the Accumulated Profit of in Steinhoff's case the Accumulated Losses)  is a very good thing indeed.

 

Steinhoff are cleaning up the balance sheet.   Setting off the Accumlated losses against the reclassified Share Premium has no impact on the Equity.  But the Balance Sheet looks a lot easier on the eye.

 

Without this, Steinhoff would have to have 5 years of E2b profits (after tax and after dividends have been paid) transferred to the Accumulated Losses reserves to extinguish the E10b amount.  Steinhoff would never achieve this off their anemic revenue and diminishing ownership.

 

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Posted 02 September 2019 - 11:46 AM

https://www.iol.co.z...mazars-31699303

 

Good article keeping to facts. 


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Posted 02 September 2019 - 11:37 AM

The equity value has decreased to less than one half of the paid-up portion of the company’s capital, a situation that requires that a general meeting must be held with shareholders to discuss measures taken to remedy the situation.

The equity value of the company now stands at negative €5.3-billion, or negative €1.24 per share.

The last published equity figure was €16-billion in 2016, before the restatements.

As such, management has made the decision to reduce the nominal value of the shares from the current €0.50 each, to €0.01 each.

The outstanding value of the company will be €43-million once the revaluation takes place,” says Du Preez.

There is still lots of uncertainty in the group and we must manage Steinhoff NV as an investment holding company in order to protect and maximise value for shareholders.”

 

https://www.dailymav...rt-cleaning-up/

 

 

Doesn't sound good to me - what am I missing?

 

 

 


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Posted 02 September 2019 - 10:44 AM

This share will bounce all over the place, very low volume trades.
May go in any direction

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Posted 02 September 2019 - 10:24 AM

Q3 did not do it, agm did not do it

They talk the pump but money is on the short and I'm the bipolar one.... Eish
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#7446 Captainfrom82

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Posted 01 September 2019 - 01:33 PM

For me the following quote is the most revealing in their 9 month trading update.

 

"We must provide our strongest performing businesses with the opportunity to perform to their full potential and ensure that Steinhoff’s shareholding is not a hindrance to their growth. As part of our debt reduction strategy all options will be considered. Therefore, as we continue with our restructuring, we will keep the future ownership of these businesses under review"

 

(my emphasis)

 

While it is common business sense to provide strongest performing business with the opportunity to perform, the second part of that sentence is very revealing indeed.  In my opinion, this point is along with the CVA and the litigation , the most important part of the jigsaw.

 

This is the first time that Steinhoff has publicly articulated the suggestion that Steinhoff's holding may be a hindrance to growth.  This is code for Steinhoff preparing the groundwork for giving up significant portions of their holding in their strongest performing businesses.  What are Steinhoff's best performing businesses with the greatest growth potential?  Pepkor Europe certainly, although to a lessor extend Pepkor Africa applies.

 

I have been for a long time suggesting that this (Steinhoff giving up some ownwership) will happen.  The problem though with Pepkor Africa is that any proceeds may not be released by the SARB to the NV Group to do as they want, which is to reduce external non-South Africa debt.  Instead SARB will probably dictate that the proceeds will be limited to South Africa. 

 

We have some thoughts in this regard and have written to Steinhoff in this regard. There are other options available for Steinhoff to maximise their returns on any proceeds from lightening up on the Pepkor Africa position.  It is not just all about reducing debt.  They could possibly get a similar effect through other avenues.

 

Regards

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#7447 Lionelza1

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Posted 30 August 2019 - 10:02 PM

Snippit said when the thread is quite the price goes up so we started talking so I shorted. Haha green beer time!!!


It's been the trend for a year now.... Why change that which works... Well done
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Posted 30 August 2019 - 08:31 PM

Key Points to note out of the AGM:

 

- All resolutions were passed - Very positive

- Major portion of shares lies with private investors. Only 1 Billion where present. 3 Billion didn't care to vote. Meaning share price is driven by emotions from private investors. 

- LdP mentioned that no dilution is planned. - Very positive

- New auditors to vote on. Mazars might be a good choice. Why - Cheaper then Big 4 - Not implicated like Deloitte and PwC due to independence issues. As soon as Mazards are voted for at EGM Steinhoff might launch first claims against Deloitte. As mentioned Mazars have started the audit. - Cons: Mazars might not be able to finish the audit in time- further delays

- VEB tried to disrupt- They failed meaning there are only around maximum of 8% of former Shareholders backing them. 

 

Other then that nothing new came out except claim of around 300 Million € initiated.

Good post Andi. I just want to add VEB got told off nicely by all other shareholders present. I loved the part of PETER WAKKIE telling VEB off with a smile!!!


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#7449 DayTraderDad

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Posted 30 August 2019 - 08:12 PM

Guess Mr Market has spoken again

Snippit said when the thread is quite the price goes up so we started talking so I shorted. Haha green beer time!!!


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Posted 30 August 2019 - 05:28 PM

Key Points to note out of the AGM:

 

- All resolutions were passed - Very positive

- Major portion of shares lies with private investors. Only 1 Billion where present. 3 Billion didn't care to vote. Meaning share price is driven by emotions from private investors. 

- LdP mentioned that no dilution is planned. - Very positive

- New auditors to vote on. Mazars might be a good choice. Why - Cheaper then Big 4 - Not implicated like Deloitte and PwC due to independence issues. As soon as Mazards are voted for at EGM Steinhoff might launch first claims against Deloitte. As mentioned Mazars have started the audit. - Cons: Mazars might not be able to finish the audit in time- further delays

- VEB tried to disrupt- They failed meaning there are only around maximum of 8% of former Shareholders backing them. 

 

Other then that nothing new came out except claim of around 300 Million € initiated.


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#7451 Lionelza1

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Posted 30 August 2019 - 05:12 PM

Guess Mr Market has spoken again
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Posted 30 August 2019 - 01:36 PM

[quote name="LarryK" post="289459" timestamp="1567160869"]Let’s hope for positive info from leadership today.
Anything resembling uncertainty, especially relating to legal issues, could send the share crashing again.[/quote

May be dissappointing with formalotoes and resolutiins being signed and elextions without too much new info. Would be keen to hear strtaegies and positive discussions with legal... Etc

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Posted 30 August 2019 - 12:27 PM

Let’s hope for positive info from leadership today.
Anything resembling uncertainty, especially relating to legal issues, could send the share crashing again.
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Posted 30 August 2019 - 10:07 AM

Webcast to the AGM link: starts 13:00h CET

 

https://dutchview.me...d3350bd34d2ae1d


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Posted 30 August 2019 - 09:03 AM

Q3 numbers where as expected, Surprisingly to me was Conforama and MF. Given their circumstances they have performed tremendously well.

 

Biggest update in the Q3 was the launch of a claim against the Top Global, hopefully we will soon get more information on this. 

 

Hopefully we might get some updates today at the AGM.


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Posted 30 August 2019 - 06:35 AM

Forgot the bi polar tabs today Lionel ???? Was it not you that was real Sh tty to DTD? 😂
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Posted 30 August 2019 - 05:56 AM

Dump on afs 17, dump on afs18, and a up on q32019... Interesting. .. Market turning this around? Or trick? Next Monday day3?

I also feel news on litigation could be driving factor.

So step 1 complete, step 2 management working on litigation issues, will market start buying rumors about it?


Friday and steinhoff! And AGM today, jussis I'm tempted but that 30% up last week could still dump and bring this share down to R1 again

DTD u shorting today? Why u not answering bro, not that I'd believe u but nice to hear from u
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Posted 30 August 2019 - 05:46 AM

Very interesting... Legal solution seems to be predictor

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Dump on afs 17, dump on afs18, and a up on q32019... Interesting. .. Market turning this around? Or trick? Next Monday day3?

I also feel news on litigation could be driving factor.

So step 1 complete, step 2 management working on litigation issues, will market start buying rumors about it?
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Posted 29 August 2019 - 02:51 PM

Interesting.... No pump, no dump...

Step 2 of management focus, litigation concerns... Things could be happening soon hey

DTD u pumping or shorting?


Very interesting... Legal solution seems to be predictor

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Posted 29 August 2019 - 02:20 PM

Interesting.... No pump, no dump...

Step 2 of management focus, litigation concerns... Things could be happening soon hey

DTD u pumping or shorting?
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