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Posted 14 May 2019 - 02:03 PM

Hi DTD,
 
 Can you clarify why you have used thenumber of issued shares from the  2015 10K FORM?   I think that it is incorrect to use the historical shares in issue of when MF was a listed company.  There is no evidence based link between the previous Authorized and Issued Share Capital and what the current position is.  They could slice and dice this however they like.
 
 
When Steinhoff  acquired MF in 2016, the debt was then E1.2b (or $1.6b).  Where has this debt disappeared to?  It certainly was not settled by MF after those poor financials over the past two years.  Further on Steinhoff's MF Material's presentation dd 5 Oct 2018, they reflect that MF had $3.2b loans outstanding (with Steinhoff standing as guarantor for the MF debt)
 
I am not sure how they legally moved the debt off the books, but I feel that the equity is overstated.
 
Note also the $2.3b Goodwill & Intangibles which we know that Steinhoff has since impaired to almost zero.
 
There is clearly something that we do not understand, and this is dangerous.
 
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Hi Captain,

That is the last reliable information I could find about MF because since SNH bought it I cannot find anything.
One can estimate by dividing the $2400 by the $64 that SNH paid and the shares are 37 mil so very little difference.
I agree we don't know exactly what they doing but the above is just a estimate to compare the NAV to that period.

Exactly where did the debt go too??? I find this all very confusing but the balance sheet was given to the court so would SNH lie to them??

This is exactly the problem with SNH there is very little news and information is gathered all over yet management says nothing so causing lots
of guessing and agree with you there is a high risk people comment without having the full picture and does more damage than good.

That amount of money simply cannot disappear it has to be somewhere.

Regards,
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Posted 14 May 2019 - 01:35 PM

Thanks for the info. I think the share price will see upward pressure with the good news... Perhaps It will be a sens announcement from snh re mf for compliance. Hopefully we we can get a h1 2019 update. Very soon after 2018 updates... Tomorrow would be meeting with veb..... And why or why can we not get an early may Christmas gift of concluded restructuring.....

The ups and downs on the share price are blips... Whats interest g is the volume trades and the floor that was maintained despite volume exit... Or vise versa

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 01:33 PM

MF interesting article:

https://www.furnitur...ve-and-ongoing/

Highlights:

LEXINGTON, Ky. – Tempur Sealy International continues to have talks with Mattress Firm “at the highest levels,” and those talks are “productive and ongoing,” TSI CEO Scott Thompson said.

He also said, speaking hypothetically, that it could take six months to roll out TSI products to the Mattress Firm store network. Thompson made those points in a conference call with analysts in which he was discussing the company’s strong first quarter sales results.
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Posted 14 May 2019 - 01:31 PM

According to 10K FORM in 2015 SHARES IN ISSUE 35,540,357 with Equity of $1,659 leaves the MF with A nav OF $46.40.

The balance sheet on top has a date of 22/04/2019 and then a few days later 30/04/2019 SNH announces the massive impairment of E1.8 bil.

So SNH gave 49.9% away for nothing so that it could get a loan????

 

Hi DTD,

 

 Can you clarify why you have used thenumber of issued shares from the  2015 10K FORM?   I think that it is incorrect to use the historical shares in issue of when MF was a listed company.  There is no evidence based link between the previous Authorized and Issued Share Capital and what the current position is.  They could slice and dice this however they like.

 

 

When Steinhoff  acquired MF in 2016, the debt was then E1.2b (or $1.6b).  Where has this debt disappeared to?  It certainly was not settled by MF after those poor financials over the past two years.  Further on Steinhoff's MF Material's presentation dd 5 Oct 2018, they reflect that MF had $3.2b loans outstanding (with Steinhoff standing as guarantor for the MF debt)

 

I am not sure how they legally moved the debt off the books, but I feel that the equity is overstated.

 

Note also the $2.3b Goodwill & Intangibles which we know that Steinhoff has since impaired to almost zero.

 

There is clearly something that we do not understand, and this is dangerous.

 

Regards

Captainfrom82


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Posted 14 May 2019 - 01:26 PM

Just wait for the Sealy deal. Watch the boost in revenues then. As mentioned before the EBITDA in 2019 should sit at 1.133 billion. 
 
We will however see a dip in 2018 figures unfortunately. I think the share price might drop again. My forecast that I calculated for 2018 I get an EBITDA of 750 million. People will come up with the same story that business is not profitable with the large debt burden. . . But these okes don't look into what management has achieved thus far. As soon as we see the HJ 2019 figures we will see a sustainable increase in the share price. 
 
So keep strong guys. 
 
PS. Captain, I'm still waiting for your EBITDA predictions. :)


Thanks Andi222 I agree there seems to be talks going on between MF and Sealy the CEO of Sealy said about 6 months to roll out!!!
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Posted 14 May 2019 - 01:19 PM

 

So it is getting better every day at Mattress firm they starting to make good profits and not such a bad business after all as everybody thought.

 

 

Just wait for the Sealy deal. Watch the boost in revenues then. As mentioned before the EBITDA in 2019 should sit at 1.133 billion. 

 

We will however see a dip in 2018 figures unfortunately. I think the share price might drop again. My forecast that I calculated for 2018 I get an EBITDA of 750 million. People will come up with the same story that business is not profitable with the large debt burden. . . But these okes don't look into what management has achieved thus far. As soon as we see the HJ 2019 figures we will see a sustainable increase in the share price. 

 

So keep strong guys. 

 

PS. Captain, I'm still waiting for your EBITDA predictions. :)


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Posted 14 May 2019 - 01:08 PM

So it is getting better every day at Mattress firm they starting to make good profits and not such a bad business after all as everybody thought.[/size]


Yes and MF still the biggest mattress business in the USA!!!
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Posted 14 May 2019 - 12:58 PM

MATTRESS FIRM, INC. CASH RECEIPTS & DISBURSEMENTS


Bank Balance: January 1, 2019 $ 125,259,594
Cash Activity Jan 1, 2019 - Mar 31, 2019

Operating Receipts
Trade Receipts 768,519,991
Other Operating Receipts 1,970,000
Total Operating Receipts 770,489,991

Operating Disbursements
Merchandise (242,862,185)
Rent (121,325,644)
Salary and Wages (139,976,280)
Other Normal Course (210,185,931)
Total Operating Disbursements (714,350,040)


Non-Operating Activity
Professional Fees (17,643,053)
Other
Total Non-Operating Disbursements (17,643,053)
Change in Outstanding Checks (2,442,777)

Bank Balance: March 31, 2019 $ 161,313,716

 

So it is getting better every day at Mattress firm they starting to make good profits and not such a bad business after all as everybody thought.


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Posted 14 May 2019 - 12:47 PM

MATTRESS FIRM, INC. CASH RECEIPTS & DISBURSEMENTS


Bank Balance: January 1, 2019 $ 125,259,594
Cash Activity Jan 1, 2019 - Mar 31, 2019

Operating Receipts
Trade Receipts 768,519,991
Other Operating Receipts 1,970,000
Total Operating Receipts 770,489,991

Operating Disbursements
Merchandise (242,862,185)
Rent (121,325,644)
Salary and Wages (139,976,280)
Other Normal Course (210,185,931)
Total Operating Disbursements (714,350,040)


Non-Operating Activity
Professional Fees (17,643,053)
Other
Total Non-Operating Disbursements (17,643,053)
Change in Outstanding Checks (2,442,777)

Bank Balance: March 31, 2019 $ 161,313,716
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Posted 14 May 2019 - 11:27 AM

Thanks Andi leaned something today!! This is the real value of a chatroom!!!

For all other that did not know:



https://www.justice....onfirmation.pdf


Debtors-in-Possession and Trustees must file with the Bankruptcy Court, and serve on the United States Trustee, post-confirmation operating reports reflecting the activities of debtor(s) each quarter after their Plan of Reorganization has been confirmed
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Posted 14 May 2019 - 11:15 AM

Andi I managed to get it thank you.



According to 10K FORM in 2015 SHARES IN ISSUE 35,540,357 with Equity of $1,659 leaves the MF with A nav OF $46.40.

The balance sheet on top has a date of 22/04/2019 and then a few days later 30/04/2019 SNH announces the massive impairment of E1.8 bil.

So SNH gave 49.9% away for nothing so that it could get a loan????
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Posted 14 May 2019 - 11:02 AM

Hi Andi well noted I cannot open the link shows a error. Is it possible to put the highlight on a post?


Andi I managed to get it thank you.
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Posted 14 May 2019 - 10:59 AM

Hi DTD,
 
its a bit more complex than that. You can find the latest MF balance sheet after the restructuring here: https://dm.epiq11.co...ssFirm/dockets 
 
Look at number 1175 and you will find the balance sheet. There one can see that the Holding took up the debt so that MF has an equity of 1.5 billion euros. I don't think they want to Equity account MF now.


Hi Andi well noted I cannot open the link shows a error. Is it possible to put the highlight on a post?
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Posted 14 May 2019 - 10:55 AM

Hahaha thanks you makes sense!!!


Yesterday spiked at 1015h and today also.
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Posted 14 May 2019 - 10:53 AM

Hi Andi222,

I am glad you asked because I am no accountant so let me explain how I got there and you can correct me:

SNH has impaired the full amount they paid for MF so I did not take into account the assets because they have been written off.
I removed all the debt from the SNH books that's basically what I did.

Maybe you can post the correct figures I just felt one cannot deduct the assets twice.

That why would be great if you and Captain can put something together.

 

Hi DTD,

 

its a bit more complex than that. You can find the latest MF balance sheet after the restructuring here: https://dm.epiq11.co...ssFirm/dockets 

 

Look at number 1175 and you will find the balance sheet. There one can see that the Holding took up the debt so that MF has an equity of 1.5 billion euros. I don't think they want to Equity account MF now.


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Posted 14 May 2019 - 10:51 AM

Just could not help myself there guys...... :D  :D  :D


Hahaha thanks you makes sense!!!
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Posted 14 May 2019 - 10:47 AM

Just could not help myself there guys...... :D  :D  :D


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Posted 14 May 2019 - 10:46 AM

Anyone got news about why the sudden run!!!

Polly probably shorted 10 million at 1.64 as promised the other day .......AND  IS NOW GETTING OUT...... :D  :D  :D


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Posted 14 May 2019 - 10:26 AM

Anyone got news about why the sudden run!!!
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Posted 13 May 2019 - 09:59 PM

Love to see a seeking alpha analysis right about now

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