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Posted 07 February 2022 - 03:35 PM

Yes, You said “We are witnessing a controlled liquidation process”. 

 

And the strategy is to “load up the trucks at R2” to get 1 PPH share in the liquidation process. Haha

Haha no all I was saying I see value at R2 at present ( that's why I said the trucks are ready) provided Pepco is not sold below 50% which case if it is sold I will then not buy one single share of SNH for long term holding because for me the value of SNH is in Pepco and not Pepkor. I don't buy into the Pepkor Samba dance!! It will take a long time to get returns from Brazil and will just consume cash l!!!

 

The controlled liquidation I mention was after TdK said delisting is an option going forward!!! They are two separate issues for me!! 


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Posted 07 February 2022 - 03:09 PM

The reason I said controlled liquidation is that I believe eventually SNH will delist and disappear. By doing it this way every one gets something even the existing shareholders could get 1 PPH share for  20 SNH shares!!!

 

Yes, You said “We are witnessing a controlled liquidation process”. 

 

And the strategy is to “load up the trucks at R2” to get 1 PPH share in the liquidation process. Haha


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Posted 07 February 2022 - 12:10 PM

he also said they will start focusing on providing shareholder value for their investors that have supported them.....so either way lets hope he does not drop us in the **** (us that are small fry)

 

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Posted 07 February 2022 - 11:42 AM

We must not forget what TdK said in the interview, SNH share holding has changed now there are over 30 000 share holders!! So it is clear to me the majority are small investors and not financial houses!!!

 

he also said they will start focusing on providing shareholder value for their investors that have supported them.....so either way lets hope he does not drop us in the **** (us that are small fry)


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Posted 07 February 2022 - 10:39 AM

 Sour Grape alert

We must not forget what TdK said in the interview, SNH share holding has changed now there are over 30 000 share holders!! So it is clear to me the majority are small investors and not financial houses!!!


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Posted 07 February 2022 - 10:37 AM

Reading through the posts, I’m not sure whether to cringe or laugh. 

 

If my investment strategy was based on valuation alone, I would be shorting this share from R5, down to my valuation of R1,08 - R2 and make a killing OR I’d be looking at opportunities elsewhere. NOT number crunching a debt ridden share every day to make others on a forum believe in my narrative. 

 

Why would I wait to load my trucks at R2 if I also believe what’s currently happening is “controlled liquidation”, who the F**** is going to pay me more than R2 should they close shop?

 

Only so many sheep in the world…….

 

I hear Stella calling…..Cheers.  ;)

The reason I said controlled liquidation is that I believe eventually SNH will delist and disappear. By doing it this way every one gets something even the existing shareholders could get 1 PPH share for  20 SNH shares!!!


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Posted 07 February 2022 - 10:34 AM

DTD, from your calcs, what happens when you add some of this back in.

 

Personally, I think(and they have proven) the SNH management(LdP and TdK) is well ahead of everyone in the room/s....still overpaid, at least they getting shares now instead of more EUR millions.

It is a interesting article but there are a few things that not sure he understands:

 

1 - Substantial improvement in equity position by more than Eur 1 bil - He should note that the reason was SNH sold 21,1 % of Pepco

 

2 - As of 30.09.2021 cash and cash equivalent exceeds current payment obligations - It might be the case for the business units but not at corporate level. Not to forget the Eur 1 bil in interest per year!!!

 

3 - Continuation intention for Steinhoff Group allows reduction of debts through operating income - He fails to differentiate between the business units and corporate debt. The operating income cannot reduce corporate debt only sales of shares or dividends!!

 

4 - Where are the "treasures" of Steinhoff shares? - Lots of words but no proper calculation because MF equity now is only $77 mil hit has a big debt created by shareholders and in a rising interest rate world not be inducive to very high valuation of the IPO. I dont think SNH will even try the IPO at present!! TdK words IPO only if condition are good!!

 

5 - Steinhoff shares could soon stand for a "normal" retail group - That cannot happen because they need to sell assets to reduce debt. So Pepkor is already by the 50% so they can only sell 28,8% of Pepco to remain with 50,1% holding and that will only give Eur 1,5 bil for me not enough to reduce debt. Again he fails do carry out some simple calculations.

 

For me its a good story telling article but no calculation value, its again like most posts just words!!!


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Posted 07 February 2022 - 09:30 AM

went to go listen again to hear if I missed something...I concede the dude stated Pepkor acquisition is a good long term move....the lady said there are better companies to invest in than SNH....that is hardly insight...I think most of us know that SNH is high risk...hence she said f-all :D

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Posted 07 February 2022 - 09:11 AM

Wow, you a difficult one to please. That was excellent insight by both of them.

 

went to go listen again to hear if I missed something...I concede the dude stated Pepkor acquisition is a good long term move....the lady said there are better companies to invest in than SNH....that is hardly insight...I think most of us know that SNH is high risk...hence she said f-all :D


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Posted 07 February 2022 - 08:48 AM

:rolleyes:  "Over-indebtedness", "debt structure", "hidden reserves"...

 

DTD, from your calcs, what happens when you add some of this back in.

 

Personally, I think(and they have proven) the SNH management(LdP and TdK) is well ahead of everyone in the room/s....still overpaid, at least they getting shares now instead of more EUR millions.


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Posted 07 February 2022 - 08:42 AM

Wow, you a difficult one to please. That was excellent insight by both of them.

 

Might be more sour grapes than insight, boykotting like a army of funds out there who all owned it. But, this boycotting is not helping price to increase or stabilize...so, do not ignore it.

 

I searched to see if they owned SNH before the collapse, but cannot find any proof.

 

I do recall Gary many years back saying they lost due to SNH, not sure about Mia.


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Posted 07 February 2022 - 08:06 AM

:rolleyes: "Over-indebtedness", "debt structure", "hidden reserves"...


Thanks SE
Insightful
Furthermore, this is to be read in the context where central banks will most likely increase interest rates, hence driving institutional investors on the stock exchange to walk away from volatile technological shares, banks and possibly pharmaceuticals / Silicon valley type of shares so to refocus on more classical shares, specifically those which can be acquired at quite a discount
Is SNH one of them? Yet to be seen
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Posted 07 February 2022 - 07:38 AM

:rolleyes:  "Over-indebtedness", "debt structure", "hidden reserves"...

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Posted 07 February 2022 - 07:08 AM

Wow, you a difficult one to please. That was excellent insight by both of them.

Well, everyone should definitely do their own research and not rely on anyone else. In the Ariva forum and who knows where else, for example, there is a smelly skelm. who tries to impress his followers with false statements about how rosy everything looks. On his latest "out of the kitchen" YT video, he quickly inflates Greenlit Brands' total turnover by changing it from 1.3 billion Aussie dollars into 1.3 billion US dollars. You could be forgiven for thinking that this is another one of the old Markus J. scamster bunch... :ph34r:


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Posted 06 February 2022 - 09:37 PM

The two people in the video below had nothing to say that gave them any credibility .

The dude mentioned that the acquisition of the Brazilian outfit is small...but did not even attempt to apply his mind to the potential growth....the lady said f-all...would not use them as reference for anything!

 

 

Wow, you a difficult one to please. That was excellent insight by both of them.


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Posted 06 February 2022 - 11:13 AM

 

Beeld van vandag:
 
Sms'e: Wat sê jy?
Christo Wiese en kie is seker baie bly dat hulle binnekort geld uit Steinhoff gaan kry ná vier jaar se “geswoeg”. Maar niemand rep ’n woord dat die hele debakel grootliks ’n skema vir Wiese en kie was om hul geld (R27,5 miljard) uit Suid-Afrika te kry met die gegewe valutabeperkings nie. Dit verklaar Markus Jooste se kalmte oor die saak. Die ruiltransaksie tussen Pepkor- en Steinhoff-aandele het toe nie gewerk nie. Die kleinvissie-beleggers soos pensioentrekkers betaal nou die prys. – Ongelukkig 

 

 

 

The two people in the video below had nothing to say that gave them any credibility .

The dude mentioned that the acquisition of the Brazilian outfit is small...but did not even attempt to apply his mind to the potential growth....the lady said f-all...would not use them as reference for anything!

 

I think one thing is clear, we have no idea what the strategy is with SNH going forward, so it is impossible to have a clear view of how to manage this share.

Maybe it is time we form the voting pool like in ASC and get a "Harry" on the SNH board to try and protect the small fish investors...maybe we are more than 20% of the shareholders

 

...@IN can you make this happen?  :D


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Posted 05 February 2022 - 12:14 PM

Pepkor deal breathes new life into local streetwear brand Loxion Kulca @ https://www.news24.c...-kulca-20220205


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Posted 05 February 2022 - 06:01 AM

Beeld van vandag:
 
Sms'e: Wat sê jy?
Christo Wiese en kie is seker baie bly dat hulle binnekort geld uit Steinhoff gaan kry ná vier jaar se “geswoeg”. Maar niemand rep ’n woord dat die hele debakel grootliks ’n skema vir Wiese en kie was om hul geld (R27,5 miljard) uit Suid-Afrika te kry met die gegewe valutabeperkings nie. Dit verklaar Markus Jooste se kalmte oor die saak. Die ruiltransaksie tussen Pepkor- en Steinhoff-aandele het toe nie gewerk nie. Die kleinvissie-beleggers soos pensioentrekkers betaal nou die prys. – Ongelukkig 

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Posted 04 February 2022 - 11:22 PM

Reading through the posts, I’m not sure whether to cringe or laugh. 
 
If my investment strategy was based on valuation alone, I would be shorting this share from R5, down to my valuation of R1,08 - R2 and make a killing OR I’d be looking at opportunities elsewhere. NOT number crunching a debt ridden share every day to make others on a forum believe in my narrative. 
 
Why would I wait to load my trucks at R2 if I also believe what’s currently happening is “controlled liquidation”, who the F**** is going to pay me more than R2 should they close shop?
 
Only so many sheep in the world…….
 
I hear Stella calling…..Cheers.  ;)


Haha enjoy your Stella you sound very tensed up!
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Posted 04 February 2022 - 08:50 PM

Reading through the posts, I’m not sure whether to cringe or laugh. 

 

If my investment strategy was based on valuation alone, I would be shorting this share from R5, down to my valuation of R1,08 - R2 and make a killing OR I’d be looking at opportunities elsewhere. NOT number crunching a debt ridden share every day to make others on a forum believe in my narrative. 

 

Why would I wait to load my trucks at R2 if I also believe what’s currently happening is “controlled liquidation”, who the F**** is going to pay me more than R2 should they close shop?

 

Only so many sheep in the world…….

 

I hear Stella calling…..Cheers.  ;)

 


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