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#12821 Lionelza1

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Posted 26 September 2018 - 05:15 PM

Legal issues factored into price. Court has to allow case to proceed.. Liability though is a different matter. Market reacting to the deflection of liability... Satisfying concerns that snh won't be the only culprit but that delloite banks... Etc will share in this

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hhhmm interesting how this Market works hey...thanks....the more i learn, the more i dont have to rely on my balls....but....we made a deal already for October  :D

 

So ever since i been in snh there's been helleva lot of positives into this saga......still plenty more hurdles tho


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Posted 26 September 2018 - 05:02 PM

Legal issues factored into price. Court has to allow case to proceed.. Liability though is a different matter. Market reacting to the deflection of liability... Satisfying concerns that snh won't be the only culprit but that delloite banks... Etc will share in this

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#12823 Lionelza1

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Posted 26 September 2018 - 04:57 PM

Its not really negative or positive news today..just a non entity...

"The Amsterdam Court in its Decision has granted the Company’s request to
summons Mr Jooste in contribution proceedings ultimately within 3 months
after today"

 

Perhaps Market is reacting to that?


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Posted 26 September 2018 - 04:26 PM

Its not really negative or positive news today..just a non entity...
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Posted 26 September 2018 - 04:18 PM

From sens 'The Company is in the process of studying the Decision (including
whether it provides grounds for appeal).
' they had better appeal

Market doesnt seem to be dumping w.r.t the news....still early to tell?......slow upward trend till Oct 20?

 

Gonna be making final pump on this.....not sure friday or mid next week tho....this friggen share nerve wreaking


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#12826 Lionelza1

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Posted 26 September 2018 - 03:15 PM

From sens 'The Company is in the process of studying the Decision (including
whether it provides grounds for appeal).
' they had better appeal

lol...thanks for info below


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Posted 26 September 2018 - 03:12 PM

From sens 'The Company is in the process of studying the Decision (including
whether it provides grounds for appeal).
' they had better appeal 😑
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Posted 26 September 2018 - 03:02 PM

Here are the moneyweb comments to view full article google steinhoff news...
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PurpleElephant 11 hours ago
I think you are excessively consipiratorial and seeing ghosts where there aren’t ones. It’s pretty simple – this is Pep and Ackerman’s two of the best businesses in SA. They have compounded value at 30 pct per year for 20 years and can continue to do so. They are highly defensible, high margin and highly cash generative. They had no involvement in the Steinhoff fraud and the employees have been victimised by the fraud — hence the provision taken to help them out. Steinhoff threw in JD and Tekkie which contribute almost no earnings to the group. Implicitly, the market does not value those businesses. Steinhoff also burdened Pepkor a little too much debt but they can deleverage fairly quickly — the refinancing of the intercompany loan allowed Steinhoff to repay SA banks and in turn release Pepkore guarantees. The prior connection with Steinhoff and the associate paranoia is an opportunity investors should capitalise on. Pepkor will prosper again.

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godfreya 6 hours ago
Pepkor might well prosper again, but most probably from a lower share price

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boogieman 6 hours ago
To the writer, Adriaan.

Thank you for the insightful article. However, the fact remains that the “issues” referred are ALL the making of Markus Jooste and Christo Weise, NOT the current management team of Pepkor. In fact Jooste and Weise dismissed the previous CEO’s of Pepkor (prior to Steinhoff purchase) and Shoprite for their own personal and illegal activities solely because those individuals refused to join their Ponzi Scheme.

The Tekkie Town deal, done directly between Jooste and Van Hyssteen allegedly done on a scrap piece of paper and according to the article was actually only worth 400 million in real term and the 3 billion was “goodwill”…… another Jooste “trick”.

This is new news which obviously originates from Van Hyssteen who clearly can’t get over the fact that he was duped by his old friend (Jooste) and now believes he must “attack” Pepkor management, but in fact should be attacking Jooste.

Was Van Hyssteen not part of the Pepkor management team and party to the new incentive scheme but who resigned and who is now looking for media support at every turn…… how psychopathic just like Jooste.

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grahamcr 6 hours ago
Wonder where Christo Wiese was during these financial manipulations and was he privy to these decisions.

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John33 5 hours ago
If the government really want to stop South African money from leaking to the overseas, well then stop allowing the companies to offshore the projects to cheaper overseas companies, and stop giving work permits to cheaper labour from oversea companies.
It’s a well known practice that local companies will always look for any and ever excuse to get the government to issue work permits, so that the company can import cheaper labour from offshore companies (also called offshore branches).

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Mactheknife 3 hours ago
A story like this might drive down the share price making it cheaper for Naspers to pick up! I still believe that Naspers is thinking along the lines of Alibaba and getting into the traditional retail space to support its online businesses Takalot and Superbalist. Time will tell

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Posted 26 September 2018 - 02:54 PM

https://www.moneyweb...hanges/.....any opinions pepkor shares...i have some but bought cheap

I would also like an opinion on Pepkor pls. It stuck out from the recent press release from steinhoff.

 

thanks in advance


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#12830 Ms Jet

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Posted 26 September 2018 - 02:46 PM

Thanks dad...dont think steinhoff company needs to sweat to much although anything can happen in law...deloitte and jooste and insurers likely to get nailed...actually weise also in future...he cant possibly known nothing
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Posted 26 September 2018 - 02:39 PM

You dont ...just google steinhoff news...but here you go....Litigation by shareholders against South African retailer Steinhoff will proceed in the Netherlands, a Dutch court said on Wednesday.

The court said it would hear complaints by shareholders who say that Steinhoff, registered in the Netherlands, misled them by stating false information in its 2015 and 2016 accounts.

Steinhoff late last year uncovered accounting irregularities that sent its shares crashing and nearly tipped the company into bankruptcy.

The class action suit was brought on by the Dutch shareholders association VEB in February, and is aimed at compensating Steinhoff investors worldwide for the more than 14 billion euros ($16.5 billion) in market value that disappeared after the accounting irregularities surfaced in December 2017.

The court dismissed claims by Steinhoff that a German court case started earlier this year should take precedence over the Dutch case. The German case deals with the complaints of one shareholder, while the VEB represents a broad base of investors from the Netherlands and beyond, the court said.

Steinhoff has until November 7 to respond to the court’s decision.

The VEB has also taken legal action against accountants Deloitte & Touche for alleged failures in the vetting of the books of Steinhoff.

Latest SENSE:http://www.dgap.de/d...newsID=1097707 


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Posted 26 September 2018 - 02:26 PM

You dont ...just google steinhoff news...but here you go....Litigation by shareholders against South African retailer Steinhoff will proceed in the Netherlands, a Dutch court said on Wednesday.

The court said it would hear complaints by shareholders who say that Steinhoff, registered in the Netherlands, misled them by stating false information in its 2015 and 2016 accounts.

Steinhoff late last year uncovered accounting irregularities that sent its shares crashing and nearly tipped the company into bankruptcy.

The class action suit was brought on by the Dutch shareholders association VEB in February, and is aimed at compensating Steinhoff investors worldwide for the more than 14 billion euros ($16.5 billion) in market value that disappeared after the accounting irregularities surfaced in December 2017.

The court dismissed claims by Steinhoff that a German court case started earlier this year should take precedence over the Dutch case. The German case deals with the complaints of one shareholder, while the VEB represents a broad base of investors from the Netherlands and beyond, the court said.

Steinhoff has until November 7 to respond to the court’s decision.

The VEB has also taken legal action against accountants Deloitte & Touche for alleged failures in the vetting of the books of Steinhoff.
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#12833 Lionelza1

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Posted 26 September 2018 - 02:12 PM

https://www.moneyweb...inhoff/....last paragraph re Deloitte most important

Hi Jet....could you copy and paste article? need to be a member of moneyweb to open article  :wacko:


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#12834 Lionelza1

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Posted 26 September 2018 - 02:04 PM

 

The comments from the article quite a joke!!!
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The Hawks and other investigators in Germany and the Netherlands are apparently still finding their way in the dark, waiting for the PwC investigation to be completed.
 
Meanwhile, it’s a remarkable achievement that the larger Steinhoff group remains operational with more than 12 000 shops globally, despite the enormous destruction of value and lack of financing caused by the crisis. 

 

 

 

 

The comments from the article quite a joke!!!
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The Hawks and other investigators in Germany and the Netherlands are apparently still finding their way in the dark, waiting for the PwC investigation to be completed.
 
Meanwhile, it’s a remarkable achievement that the larger Steinhoff group remains operational with more than 12 000 shops globally, despite the enormous destruction of value and lack of financing caused by the crisis. 

 

Think the article is linking Babbas friends snh shares with Mayfair Speculators.

 

Remember in Parli he made admission that if Deloitte did not sign of financials the share price will crash.....

 

“Both Potgieter and Jooste must have been aware of the fact that the implosion of the Steinhoff share price was inevitable,” Absa stated in its court papers.


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Posted 26 September 2018 - 02:00 PM

https://www.moneyweb...inhoff/....last paragraph re Deloitte most important
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Posted 26 September 2018 - 01:53 PM

Bet they find finance for mattress firm soon release sens and share goes up again..this share so up and down 😂 if was a person would be in a straight jacket
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Posted 26 September 2018 - 01:32 PM

The comments from the article quite a joke!!!
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The Hawks and other investigators in Germany and the Netherlands are apparently still finding their way in the dark, waiting for the PwC investigation to be completed.
 
Meanwhile, it’s a remarkable achievement that the larger Steinhoff group remains operational with more than 12 000 shops globally, despite the enormous destruction of value and lack of financing caused by the crisis. 

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#12838 Lionelza1

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Posted 26 September 2018 - 01:19 PM

Interesting creditors lenient with Jooste. They hedging some share recovery perhaps..... Has he dumped all his shares as yet or are these still held in trust... If anyone has shareholding register anytime within 2018..pls check this.


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Posted 26 September 2018 - 12:47 PM

It doesnt really mean anything theyll try it pon it someone..then theyll deny blah blah..i think Deloitte in the mundungas...but they will also deny..but in end i think Deloitte will pay..most claims or at least their insurers will...
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Posted 26 September 2018 - 12:41 PM

Sorry boys...

 

AMSTERDAM, Sept 26 (Reuters) - Litigation by shareholders against South African retailer Steinhoff will proceed in the Netherlands, a Dutch court said on Wednesday.

The court will hear complaints by shareholders who say that Steinhoff, registered in the Netherlands, misled them by stating false information in their 2015 and 2016 accounts. Steinhoff late last year uncovered accounting irregularities that sent its shares crashing and nearly tipped the company into bankruptcy. (Reporting by Bart Meijer, editing by Louise Heavens)

https://af.reuters.c...s/idAFA5N1S3001

 


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